Lizzie Lasater ~ Love Your Lower Back

Lizzie Lasater is a prominent yoga educator and content creator known for her expertise in restorative yoga. With a rich background in architecture, Lizzie applies her design thinking to her yoga teachings. She collaborates with her mother, Judith Hanson Lasater, a pioneer in the field, and Mary Richards, a renowned yoga therapist, to produce courses that delve into the intersection of yoga, anatomy, and well-being. Based in Salzburg, Austria, Lizzie blends her professional expertise with her life experiences as a mother to offer a unique perspective on yoga and mindfulness.

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Key Takeaways:

• Lizzie Lasater emphasizes the importance of slowing down and allowing comfort in yoga practices to promote relaxation and nervous system regulation.
• Her experience growing up in a yoga household without pressure offers insights into fostering a positive relationship with yoga for children.
• Lizzie advocates for adapting traditional yoga cues to align with modern anatomical and personal needs, moving towards a more inclusive yoga practice.

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Chapters

• 0:04 The Journey from Ashtanga to Restorative Yoga and Mindfulness
• 9:09 Parenting Twins: Embracing Individuality and Creating Quiet Spaces
• 13:48 Balancing Bilingual Parenting and Cultural Connections
• 16:46 Rethinking Yoga Alignment for Diverse Body Types
• 23:30 Rethinking Yoga Practices and Embracing Individual Needs
• 29:27 igital Detox and Rediscovering Clarity in a Connected World
• 33:52 Managing Emotional Triggers and Digital Boundaries
• 38:30 Maximizing Productivity Through Focused Retreat and Internal Energy
• 38:56 Open-Minded Yoga Studios and Non-Meditators in Restorative Workshops
• 42:01 Restorative Yoga's Role in Enhancing Relaxation and Attention
• 50:11 Creative Processes and Overcoming Self-Doubt in Content Creation
• 55:46 Integrating Yoga Practice Into Content Creation
• 1:00:08 The Privilege and Joy of Practicing and Teaching Yoga

Transcript

0:00:04 A: I’m so happy I get a chance to meet and speak with Lizzie Lassiter. Lizzie, how are you feeling today?

0:00:10 Lizzie Lasater: Good. I’m happy to be here with you. Thank you for having me.

0:00:14 A: Thank you. I really enjoy following you. What you. I love reading your sub stacks. I love, your YouTube channel’s great. And I love that you remind me to, like, slow down and, like, chill out a little bit. Just kind of relax. How did you get onto that niche? What was. Because I saw. I read that you originally started with ashtanga yoga or vinyasa yoga, and now it seems like you’re really focused on helping people learn how to regulate their nervous systems and take it down a notch.

0:00:50 A: Can you tell me a little bit about your evolution and your own journey that brought you to where you are now?

0:00:56 Lizzie Lasater: Wow. Yes. I fell in love with you.

0:00:59 A: Where do we start?

0:01:00 Lizzie Lasater: Where do I start?

0:01:01 A: Somewhere. All right.

0:01:03 Lizzie Lasater: No, I’m so flattered that you read what I write every Sunday on my substack and what I. The yoga content that I create for Instagram, for YouTube, really, for the online courses, it’s always very personal. So I’m so humbled when I connect with people who are on the receiving end of this content, because many things I write, it’s almost like a journal to myself. Like, I’m really reminding myself to rest.

0:01:38 Lizzie Lasater: I’m really. Last week, I wrote about skipping Shavasana because I skip shavasana, actually, because I’m tempted to skip Shavasana because I feel it in me. So I very much feel like yoga is in the laboratory of my body. And anything that I share is like, it’s always in the first person voice. And even the online courses that we create, it’s like something I’m interested in learning about. And so then I go to my collaborators. I work with my mom, Judith Hanson Lasseter, and with the great Mary Richards, who’s a yoga therapist.

0:02:13 Lizzie Lasater: I go to them and say, like, I want to learn more about perimenopause, menopause, because that’s coming up for me in the next decade. So let’s make a course about it that became somatic woman. So I definitely am on the path of experiencing and sharing. You know, I never really feel like a yoga teacher in the sense of a hierarchical kind of. I know I have all of the answers, and I’m telling you what to do. I mean, I grew up in San Francisco. My parents were on the co founding team of yoga journal magazine.

0:02:48 Lizzie Lasater: I grew up at yoga retreats in summers as a kid, I’ve been around yogis my whole life, and I’ve seen a lot of slippage or misalignment or hypocrisy between practice and preach, and I’m just. That always turned my stomach, having kind of privileged access behind the scenes. And so I’ve always just been really interested in kind of going like, I consider myself. My job is that I’m a yoga student. You know, like, I’m basically. And that’s the privilege of teaching yoga. It’s like, the more I learn, the more I can teach.

0:03:29 A: Yeah.

0:03:29 Lizzie Lasater: I have not answered your question yet, but I have.

0:03:34 A: No, you are. You are answering it. You’re answering it perfectly.

0:03:40 Lizzie Lasater: Do you practice restorative yoga?

0:03:42 A: I have. I do. I do. I love it. I absolutely love it. It took me a while to appreciate it. I think I came in from the ashtanga vinyasa. Kick your butt, work harder. It’s all about more, faster, bigger, deeper, more. And so when my body started to go into pain and. And then I started to go, oh, my gosh, look at all these people that have been telling me all along that here’s this restorative yoga, and, you know, you should be trying this out because this is really important.

0:04:13 A: It finally hit home. So, absolutely, I love it now, and it’s one of the greatest things ever. So I’m a huge fan, and that’s why I’ve been, you know, ever since I spoke with your mom, I had her on. On episode 92. I. I’ve been reading more and trying to practice more, and I love what you guys put out. It’s amazing. But what I’m really fascinated to hear about is, like you said, being a child growing up in a yoga household and your perspective. I have two children.

0:04:42 A: My wife and I have a yoga studio for the past 18 years, and I’ve always not wanted to make them have to come to yoga, because I don’t want them to feel the same way I feel about the things that my parents made me do, that I hated. So I’m curious, what is your. I know you’re a mom. What is your approach, do you think, currently, and or how do you plan to approach this as you move forward?

0:05:05 Lizzie Lasater: Okay. So what my mom did, which was brilliant, is that yoga was just always around. It was the atmosphere of our childhood, but it was never pushed. So she was just doing yoga in the mornings, the way other people brush their teeth. I mean, the way we all, you know, she. It’s just, she’s so matter of fact about it. She gets up and does her practice. And I will say that has been a strong pull for me towards the quieter side, towards restorative Pranayama meditation, because now she’s in her seventies and I’ve watched her over the decades and kind of project, like, sort of realized that what stays with us through the life cycle are those practices.

0:05:50 Lizzie Lasater: So I kind of had this realization ten years ago, like, oh, so maybe I should spend more energy investing in the quieter practices now, in my thirties, when I still have a ton of vigor and energy, what if I dive deeply and actively into the quieter practices because it’s obvious, witnessing her, that the kind of gymnastic side of things naturally fade because of injury, because of aging, because of just not that interested anymore in doing handstand lotus in the center of the room.

0:06:31 A: That’s so cool. Well, that’s pretty amazing that you tapped into that. It makes sense.

0:06:39 Lizzie Lasater: Yeah.

0:06:39 A: If you’re able to watch that trajectory through someone else’s experience that, like, I agree with you, and I’m having that realization, too, but it’s cool that you, like, look, this is going to be more important for more, potentially more important for more people later on.

0:06:55 Lizzie Lasater: Let me know for myself, for my life cycle as a yogi. And I had a lot of anxiety in my twenties. I had panic attacks in my teens. And restorative yoga made sense for me as a form of bodyfulness, as a way to move in towards meditation. And if this identification with thought, and I just wrote something yesterday on my. On my instagram about my yoga is not about the poses, because the. This was a morning journal that I then posted, it was like, the poses don’t make me whole or holy.

0:07:36 Lizzie Lasater: It’s about using sensation of breath or sensation of movement to connect me to the present moment. Moment which moves me away from thinking madness and towards presence. Like, that’s the project that I’m doing on my yoga mat. And when I think of it that way, like, the poses are kind of a side effect. You know what I mean?

0:07:58 A: Yeah. Yes, yes.

0:08:00 Lizzie Lasater: Like, it’s cool, but it’s like, just dog pose isn’t really the magic of the practice, you know?

0:08:08 A: Yeah. Cutting a little deeper into the essence of. Of the practice versus the outer. The outer expression.

0:08:14 Lizzie Lasater: Well, at what point as we transform yoga asana practice, when we bring it into gyms and we add music and we add mirrors and we shorten it to 45 minutes and we add push ups in between every, like, at what point does it cease to be yoga?

0:08:31 A: Great question. Good point. Good point. Well, that’s cool.

0:08:36 Lizzie Lasater: Okay. But I wanted to say about the parenting thing. The parenting. I mean, I have four and a half year old twin boys and what I’m doing. So I loved what my mom did. It was just like, it’s there, but it’s not pushed. And what I’m doing with my boys is, like, this is their couch, actually, in my studio, and I practice over there in the mornings, and they’re always allowed to come down and come in, but it’s like, no touching and no talking, mama, when I’m practicing, but you’re welcome. They get here, they get a cozy, a yoga cozy with, like, a blanket, and they can.

0:09:09 Lizzie Lasater: So I am more interested that they kind of are in that quiet space for 10, 15, 20 minutes in the morning and that they can tolerate silence. Like, more than that, they are doing repose with me, you know, like that. I think all comes later and controversial take. I think kids yoga is a bit of a trend. It didn’t exist in my childhood. Like, I don’t think small children really need yoga. Like, and what happens when we do it with small kids is it becomes gymnastics with sanskrit names.

0:09:53 Lizzie Lasater: Like, so I’m more interested in just sometimes I give my kids, they say they wanted yoga. Sometimes they give them shavasana. Like, they love. My mom gave them eye bags, and they love to lie down and have the props, and they’ll lie down for, like, five minutes. So it’s more for me about dosing them with a comfort level. And you know how, like, when you smell something that your grandma used to cook, it feels homey, cozy, familiar.

0:10:20 Lizzie Lasater: It’s like a spice. Like, sage always makes me think of my mom’s mom because she used to make this sage stuffing at Christmas. So when I smell that, so, like, I’m kind of trying to make my yoga studio have a, like, have a smell for that. Like, that feeling of, like, silence and early morning and candles and palosante. Like, I’m just. It’s that. That I’m trying to inject into their little brains for later.

0:10:46 A: I like that. I have not thought of it that way. I have not come out. I haven’t thought of it in that.

0:10:50 Lizzie Lasater: Perspective, like, as an aesthetic experience almost, you know?

0:10:55 A: Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. What do you think? And what do you relate, what do you notice in relation to attention? Spanish, having twins. And I hear with people that have twins, they will say, like, they’re so unique and so different. Are you already observing attention differences between the two? Are they so linked? What is their. What are you noticing there?

0:11:16 Lizzie Lasater: So their character is totally different. In my, you know, laboratory of having had two children, I am convinced that they just come fully baked with everything, like, pre programmed in there, their whole care, because I’m giving them the same childhood. Like, they’re literally eating the same things, sleeping in the same room, going on the same trips. Like, they have the same parents, super similar genetics, but their characters from day one were different.

0:11:45 Lizzie Lasater: And I choose to see that as a big relief of, like, it’s not all up to me as the mom. It’s not always about, like, the mistakes or the right things that I’m doing, because a lot of it is the interaction, and it gives me a softness when I look at my friends and family members, how they’re parenting and how the kids are kind of turning out, because I’m like, I have to remind myself, you know, I can do one thing for my one boy, and that totally works. And if I do the same thing for the other boy, that doesn’t always work. And so it’s not just because, like, you know, when I judge someone, it’s not. It’s, like, it’s the interaction between them and the kids. So.

0:12:28 Lizzie Lasater: Well, I have, for example, like, one of my sons is more introverted, and one of them is more extroverted. That’s just, like, feels like a factory setting. And I just have to, you know, I literally, the other day, they have these, like, gymnastics mats, and I stood them up in the living room, and I made Felix island and Otto island, because Otto is the introvert, and he needed. He needs to be protected from his brother, who’s, like, jumping on him all the time.

0:12:54 Lizzie Lasater: So I said, like, you know, you. Okay, you pick the. You can have the layo, then you can have the train set, and for, like, 1 hour, it’s, like, separate playtime. And Felix had a really hard time, and he was, like, literally, like. And I was like, no, you’re not allowed to go on opto island. So that is, like, the art of it for me, is, like, seeing them as separate, trying to give them different dosages of things.

0:13:15 A: That’s cool.

0:13:16 Lizzie Lasater: When, like, when the easiest thing with two. With twins of the same gender is just, like, batch work, you know? I want to just be like, okay, you’re all. You’re both doing gymnastics. You’re both doing songwriter.

0:13:27 A: Same outfit. Yeah. Look at my matching little twins. Yeah. Did you. You live in Austria? Did you have them over there?

0:13:36 Lizzie Lasater: Mm hmm.

0:13:38 A: Nice. What languages are they being exposed to?

0:13:41 Lizzie Lasater: So they speak German in kindergarten and with their father, and then we speak English because I’m very strict, so I speak German, but when if my kids speak to me in German, I just go, huh?

0:13:53 A: Uh huh. You make mistakes.

0:13:55 Lizzie Lasater: And then they’re like, but you speak to. Yeah, they’re like, you speak to papa in German. And I’m like, we have a. Not with. Not like, so, yeah, like, no. No service. No service will be. You know, there’s signs, like, no shirt, no shoes, no service. I’m like, no English, no service, no dinner.

0:14:13 A: Yeah, that’s classic.

0:14:15 Lizzie Lasater: No. And especially when they’re, like, asking for chocolate or dessert or something. I’m like, you’re talking to me in German. You think mama wants to hear that Deutsche? Like, stop it. You know, I may get a joke, but I’m. I was really clear and strict from the beginning because, like, it. It dawned on me after I had these. I mean, it’s just so funny. Life path. Like, I went to graduate school in New York, studied design, fell in love with my partner.

0:14:38 Lizzie Lasater: We moved here for fun for a year, trial basis in 2011, and we’ve been here, and then we had the kids, and then it was Covid, and I just didn’t really think it through, you know?

0:14:55 A: How does it play out?

0:14:57 Lizzie Lasater: It just. I mean, it’s. My wonderful godmother always says, I’m on my perfect path. It’s like. That’s her mantra, you know, it’s like, I’m on my perfect path. But the thing is, with the language, it was very clear to me, if I don’t teach these children English, they will not be able to speak to my mother. Like, they will not be able to speak to my family. They will not be able to. So it seemed I was really clear with it from day one, and luckily, it’s been super easy. And they learned. They got over the hump quickly enough to where, like, there has yet to be a pushback. And now it’s so established, I just can’t really imagine.

0:15:36 A: Yeah, I don’t. Oh, that’s cool. I think. Keep going in that direction. I think the more, you know, growing up in the US, like, language wasn’t really pushed on. On me. I don’t know what it was like for you, but, you know, we just weren’t really encouraged that much. Every time I travel to Europe and I met young kids that were speaking three, four, or five languages, I thought, oh, my gosh, I missed out. You know, if somebody had pushed me when I was younger, that could have been incredible. So I think, keep going with what you’re doing. Because they’re only, the only benefit from that down the road.

0:16:05 A: You know, you’re getting ready to offer a course on loving your lower back. Did I get the terminology of the course right? Love your low back. Is that right?

0:16:14 Lizzie Lasater: No. Okay, so we call it love your lower back. It’s on Lasseter yoga, and it’s a course about, essentially, relationships. So the way my mom, Judith Hansen Lassiter, and Mary Richards have framed this course, it’s so fascinating because they sneak in the anatomy and the kinesiology. You think you’re learning yoga with them, but then you’re actually going much deeper. And what they have taught me in the pre recording, there’s going to be a bunch of live sessions that start on October 9.

0:16:43 Lizzie Lasater: But we’ve been pre recording all of the lectures, and they, what I’ve understood from them, their thesis of the course, is that the lower back is not a single unit. It’s a set of relationships. So it’s the relationship between, it starts with the femurs and the pelvis, the hip joints and then the pelvis and the sacrum, the sacroiliac joint and then the sacrum and the lumbar. So those sets of relationships, if there’s dysfunction in any of those relationships, the whole lumbosacral, pelvic hip complex can become dysfunctional and can lead to pain.

0:17:25 Lizzie Lasater: So it’s like almost our view of the lower back is too small when we think about it.

0:17:31 A: That makes sense. Have you yourself needed to or dealt with or deal with back pain?

0:17:39 Lizzie Lasater: I have. Have you?

0:17:41 A: Yes, I do. Uh huh. Yeah, I know. That’s what I’m like. I’m really curious. I’m really interested. I want to learn.

0:17:47 Lizzie Lasater: Yeah, I’ve read, so I’ve read a bunch of interesting things preparing for this course. One statistic I came across is that 80% of people will experience back pain in their life, which is a crazy statistic. And my mom always says, like, if you don’t have back pain, that just means you’re under 40. But it’s rampant in yoga. There’s this strange mythology in yoga and even outside of yoga, like, when people look at yoga that they think there’s a magic to these poses and that we can’t hurt ourselves with them. That the second you step on a yoga mat, everything that you’ll be told to do with your body is going to be automatically healthful for you, which is so ludicrous because it’s like, you know, I can’t go and do a ski run or a certain kind of ski training that would be appropriate for my partner, who’s been skiing his entire life, who’s just a way better austrian skier than I am. You know, like, we understand that in other realms, but in the realm of yoga, we just kind of assume that everything is good for everybody. Which, number one, I don’t think it is.

0:18:56 Lizzie Lasater: Number two, I think there are some legacy cues. They’re often called or kind of ways things are taught that have been that we’ve inherited from the lineage or from several lineages in yoga. And they’re very nuts and bolts things. One big area, for example, is the way that we’re doing twists, seated twists, standing twists. We’re often told to hold the pelvis stable, and so that sounds like something like in a seated twist to glue your sitting bones to the floor, and then twist. And what happens when you do that is that the twist starts in the sacroiliac joint, which is a joint of stability, not mobility. We don’t want to create any more looseness when you add on top of that.

0:19:45 Lizzie Lasater: That most yogis are women who have monthly hormonal changes and a hormonal pre disposition for looser ligaments. We have a stronger chance of getting sacroiliac dysfunction when we twist like that. Then if you add on top of that, the structural differences, women, for example, we have less congruence or connection in the way that the sacrum fits into the pelvis. The male pelvis actually has three segments that connect and the female two.

0:20:15 Lizzie Lasater: So, I mean, for obvious reasons, the female pelvis is a bit more expanded, contractible, but. So it’s like when we do this transgender migration, this transnational migration, this trans century migration, we inherit yoga from the past, from a different country, from often a different gender. I mean, I know, not in your case, but. And then we’re bringing it to a different context. And now with new information, maybe, about the anatomical reality that we live in, to me, it just makes absolute sense to update the queuing or the alignment ideas that.

0:20:57 Lizzie Lasater: So that we’re not creating pain in ourselves and our students.

0:21:01 A: Can I just clarify to make sure I understand what you’re saying? So, just for example, perhaps, like, we learn from a male indian yoga teacher, and if I was female, then, you know, perhaps those cues and that’s specific to that particular body type might not apply to mine. Am I on the right page with you?

0:21:23 Lizzie Lasater: Yeah. So, like, if you think about cobra pose, you’re lying on your belly, you’re pressing into your hands and coming up to a back bend, often taught with the feet together. What I’ve learned from mom and Mary is if you look at the width of the person sacrum, if you happen to be born with a narrow male indian pelvis with your feet together, you might still be inside your sacral width. But for women, if you have a wider sacrum, you might need to open your feet to make the pose feel a lot better and to not feel a bony block when you try to press up into that back. Or just not even a woman, just someone with a wider sacrum.

0:22:02 Lizzie Lasater: To me, there’s a lot of respect and gratitude for where this practice came from, but I’m just unwilling to hold on to everything because he said it or because his teacher said it or because it goes back into the myths of time. I also think, like, I think about, we have changed it so much now. I. You know, this was when I think about. So I studied with my mom, Judith Hanson Lassiter, who studied directly with BKS Iyengar. She got her senior teaching certificate directly from him, and he studied with Krishna Macharya. So that lineage, like, when my mom is studying with BKS, Ayyy.

0:22:49 Lizzie Lasater: He’s a Brahmin who lives in Pune, who has staff. He has someone who cooks for him and goes grocery shopping and does his laundry. That’s like the setup of how that system works. We go two generations later. I don’t have any staff. I am a 41 year old woman living in Salzburg, Austria, trying to run a house, a social life, a business. I have a partner. I have two young children. There’s a lot of moving parts.

0:23:21 Lizzie Lasater: Again, I don’t have a staff, so my practice needs to feed me in a different way than I could imagine. When I remember things that my mom said, BTS said about his practice, about how many hours a day and about how intense the practices should be and what poses you should be doing every day and every week in these kind of cycles, it’s like, yeah, that’s not really available to me right now. Like, I come down in the morning and I’m happy if I get 20 to 40 minutes alone in silence to do something right. And on top of that, like, I’m in a body that’s cycling. So I have parts of the month where I feel really differently, then I, you know, so should I still be? It’s just like, I think we’ve kind of. Let’s set a session to throw the baby out with the bathwater. It’s like, we’ve kept the baby and the bathwater. We’re like, we, like, kept so much baggage that is maybe not serving us. And I really, like, say this with all love and respect, I hope I’m not offending anyone who feels strongly about these cues. But what’s even more persuasive to me is, like, when I learn from yoga therapist Mary Richards, my mom, who’s a physical therapist in addition to being a yoga teacher, like, when they explain the anatomy, the anatomy to you, it’s like, oh, it’s like so convincing. And then they say, just try it in your body, like in the course. Love your lower back. They’re like, don’t take our word for it. Try it in your body and see if it feels better.

0:24:54 Lizzie Lasater: And universally, everyone’s like, oh, this feels a lot better. When I do cobra. When I let my mom just says, let your feet go as wide as they want to go in cobra. Yeah, let them find their natural width. You can try it tomorrow in your practice. Just like open your feet and see if it feels better.

0:25:10 A: It is nice, right? Especially if you’re having low back pain and you’re trying to figure a way to actually move the body and not exacerbate the pain. Yeah, it’s amazing. Well, first of all, I can’t speak for our listeners, but personally, I really appreciate that you’re asking the big questions and digging in deep into why are we doing what we’re doing? What was the living conditions of the person that we inherited this information from?

0:25:40 A: These are important questions because you’re right. It’s amazing that. I guess my question for you, then. I’ll be curious to see what sort of insight you have. Why, as humans, do we get so infatuated with the concept of an indian or a master in general, not just wherever they’re from? They could be a master Germany or why are we so wanting to? Is it that we want someone just to fix us? We just wish somebody could fix us and so therefore we just bow down, bow down and say whatever it has to be. The almighty?

0:26:18 Lizzie Lasater: I don’t know. My short answer is that life is so incredibly complex and overwhelmingly nuanced that we are so grateful to anyone offering us black and white that it feels like a relief to just know the right way to put your feet in triangle pose. And this is always the right way and the nuance. Like Mary Richards, our collaborator, she just published a book with Shambhala called Teach People not poses. And her whole philosophy, it’s much harder to look at the actual person in front of you and then understand the baseline anatomy, physiology, then see what’s going on with them, then layer on any dysfunction or injuries they’re having and layer on any feedback they’re giving you about how it feels. And then choose a different choice for their body in real time.

0:27:14 Lizzie Lasater: Way harder than just to be like, you know, front heel in line with middle arch, always for everyone, no matter what size your pelvis is.

0:27:22 A: Like, yeah, great point, Lizzie. Well, I really appreciate, though, because that you’re, well, first, the way you said, the way that you are teaching is more, I’m a student, so when I’m writing something, it’s more I’m just sharing the observations that I’m having as an actual practitioner. And that brings it down onto a real level because I think sometimes if we’re crafting an idea that we want to share, we almost have to take on a new Persona. Like now I’m pretending to be the all knowing.

0:27:55 A: There’s a right and a wrong way to do things. And so I think that you’re kind of edging in from that direction. Seems really smart. But I still, every time I open up one of your posts, I like how you just, I really appreciate how you are having fun with saying, let’s do nothing. Like, like, come on. Like, riot. Like, let’s, like, why? Why are we thinking we have to be wired to go this one direction? And so you keep pressing me toward, like, okay, it’s okay to slow down. It’s okay to slow down. It’s okay to slow down. And I really enjoyed, I noticed on, for one of your workshops that you’re offering coming up in Paris, and I, November 15, it said, you said, the workshop is for tired humans.

0:28:46 A: I wrote this down my hand.

0:28:47 Lizzie Lasater: Right.

0:28:47 A: I can’t read my own handwriting. Tired human from pandemic. A mobile phone addict. That’s a huge one. Burnout sufferer, a yoga teacher, a parent, a caregiver, a non meditator. I have to ask you, like, I kind of can guess what you’re saying there, but I want to hear what you have to say and, or you’re just plain exhausted. Well, who isn’t, right? Like, I can’t, I can’t imagine anybody could be honest and say, I’m not exhausted in the current speed we have to do nowadays to keep up with everything. So.

0:29:20 A: But just to dig in on, let me go first to the cell phone. Addicting. Because the other morning I woke up and it was early in the morning. It’s bright before the sun’s up. I’m coming in to teach, and I see my phone. And so my first thought is, get on there and see what’s trending. Let’s go. And I thought, oh, my God, it’s like a pack of cigarettes. Like the first thing, I just want to grab it. So I’m like, nope, don’t do it.

0:29:40 A: And then I went, I have a book I’m reading. I really like. And so I’m reading that, and then I’m like, of course. I’m like, okay, I’m going to go now. I can open it up, right? Because I did. And I exhibited some self control, but then, of course, I got a whole bunch of, you see a whole bunch of hate and a bunch of anger. I mean, maybe I looked for some of that. So that was my fault because you can just tune into only love. If you’re only looking for love, you could find just love, but that’s not the only thing that’s on there. So I’m curious, what is your experience with noticing your own attachment with the power of the digital?

0:30:12 Lizzie Lasater: My delight. My delight with this. You know, one thing, my, one thing I recently did for the first time ever is that I went offline for two weeks.

0:30:26 A: Oh, I saw that.

0:30:27 Lizzie Lasater: And, yeah, so I was teaching at the feather pipe ranch in Montana. First week I was studenting. Actually, my mom was teaching. And the second week I was teaching, and I was student.

0:30:37 A: I heard someone say it like that. Like it.

0:30:39 Lizzie Lasater: Okay, that was super nice. And, um, yeah, I just, I turned off my phone. Well, I didn’t turn off my phone. I kept it for photos and for the emergency, like, middle of the night, I sometimes am awake for hours in the night. And so then I’ll listen to an audiobook, but I didn’t do any podcasts. I was like, I’m not taking any news. I’m not taking. And I didn’t check my email. I was planning for two weeks not to go on social media and not check my email. And then the Saturday middle point of it, I got really anxious. And I checked my email.

0:31:17 Lizzie Lasater: And one thing, this is a sidebar. But what was interesting is that I have a girl who helps me, Sarah, who helps us with the lassiter yoga inbox. So I knew kind of, like, from the business side that people would be at least responded to and taken care of, but from my personal, like, my work inbox and my personal email, like, there’s nobody else in there. And so on the Saturday, I got nervous and I checked it and I took, I timed myself. It took me 47 minutes to process all of my emails for one week, which shocked me because what am I doing with all my time, all week long? Like, doing emails for hours a day, first of all, you know?

0:32:03 Lizzie Lasater: And second of all, I thought it was after a week of being offline, my brain was so crisp, and I was so, like, I was just making decision. Like, I was, like, I felt so. And I was so disinterested in all of the noise. I deleted all the newsletter, like, anything. I just. I was just, like, not interested. And I didn’t. I wasn’t tempted or lost in any rabbit holes. Today. I got lost looking for some reason. I started thinking. I heard. I was listening to a playlist on Spotify. There was a Beyonce song. I was like, doesn’t Beyonce also have twins? And then I start googling Beyonce’s twins, and then I’m looking at, you know, it’s like, 15 minutes later, I’m emerging when I’m supposed to be working.

0:32:41 Lizzie Lasater: You know, it was like, uh, uh, close all the tabs, get back to work. Like, so I I think that we like the stimulation. I think we thrive a little bit on those shadow emotions, like outrage. Like, I mean, I have someone in my life who loves to tell me, like, awful political stories that are going on in the US, and I’m always like, yeah, newyorktimes.com reaches all the way to Austria, so I could know those things if I wanted or slash, I already know those things.

0:33:28 Lizzie Lasater: Slash, why are you telling me those things? Like, but I think it’s a way that we like to stir ourselves up. And I have this theory, which. Not my theory, but, like, that in a very simplified sense. I see it with myself. I’ll speak to my. About myself oftentimes when I get angry at my kids and I notice that I’m having, like, an overreaction. Yesterday, we were baking, like, banana bread muffins, and they were both in the kitchen, and they were both being just a little bit, like, talking at the same time and demanding and, can I lick this? And I want to do the egg and I want to do the butter, and I, you know, and I was just kind of like. And then I kind of overreacted.

0:34:12 Lizzie Lasater: If I look underneath that often, for me, I’m annoyed. I’m on the continuum from annoyed to pissed at my partner. I’m like, there’s some part of me that’s like, like, why do I have the kids for another afternoon? Why isn’t he doing like. Or, like, there’s. Or, like, he’s on some work call right now and, like, I actually have so much to be doing. Why am I the one who’s cooking dinner? It’s like I have some like border, like baseline frustration, anger, resentment at him. And then I. The kids trigger, they do like a three. And I react like it’s a seven or an eight.

0:34:49 Lizzie Lasater: And I think that the same thing happens with the stimulation from the phone. Especially like the politics stuff and the new stuff is like we’re actually upset about something else. There’s like. It’s like I’m angry at my dad or like I’m like. Trauma history. What? Like they’re just. There’s like more going on. And then it’s like, easier for me to put it out here that I’m really angry about this political thing or this candidate or.

0:35:14 Lizzie Lasater: Or this supreme court decision or it’s like we. It becomes this, like, place for us to.

0:35:23 A: Yeah, well, I think that goes. That has to go beyond theory to proof. Like that’s actual. That makes perfect sense.

0:35:32 Lizzie Lasater: I mean, that’s my experience. But what I do, for example, sounds like that’s what you do too, is like, I just have to be really boundaried about it. In the morning when I come down to my practice. I’ve just learned from trial and many errors that, like, I can’t turn my phone off airplane mode. I use my phone often for my practice. Like if. Because I do stuff with timers. Or sometimes I’ll listen to. I’m really into this meditation teacher.

0:35:58 Lizzie Lasater: Joe, go back right now. Or like, I’ll listen to a meditation lecture by somebody while I’m doing my practice. And so, like, sometimes I’ll need my phone to like, get to something. But I won’t turn on the Internet because those notifications that come in, even from like WhatsApp, it’ll just be something that. Then it’ll be like someone canceling something that I was looking forward to. Or, you know, sorry I can’t come to dinner tonight because this or whatever it is. And it’ll it color or like, colors the tone of my practice in this super annoying way.

0:36:32 A: Yeah, well, I’m glad you’re bringing all that up. I really appreciate your honesty in your own personal understanding of. Maybe I have this other anger or resentment going on. And that’s why I react, because that’s truthful and I can attest to having. I mean, I know what you’re talking about. So I agree to that. Agree with that. Um, and. And the. And am I right when you said that? When you timed yourself and it took 47 minutes that you were actually able to do something in a short amount of time that was not a long period of time. You’re able to knock out an entire week’s worth of work within a 47 minutes window, which normally would have taken several hours per day. So we add that up time, seven days. So at first I thought I was like, you were saying, like, oh, it took me a long time. But then I realized, no, actually, that was a quick. That was a quick return.

0:37:19 A: So. And I like the fact that you brought attention to the crispness, because there’s no doubt when you. When you have retreat and where you take time, silent, quiet time, like our. We tap into our internal energy, and it just. You just start to feel a little more alert, a little more awake. Can be that way. Not always that way, but often it can be that way. Um, I’m curious on one of the other qualifications or one of the other taglines you use as non meditators, this would be a great workshop.

0:37:45 A: Well, first, also, I want to. Well, when I noticed that you were doing a restorative workshop in Paris, first I was like, oh, I want to go to Paris. But then I saw that you’re doing at the Ashtanga yoga Paris, and I thought, well, how cool. Because as an Astanga studio, that’s open minded enough to say, well, let’s also offer restorative yoga, of course. I mean, I can’t think of a better studio to go teach a restorative yoga course into a place that needs it the most.

0:38:11 A: But with that being said, when you said a non meditator, what is your thoughts there? Because usually I would thank someone to say, if you like meditating, if you’re a meditator, you’re saying, hey, if you’re a non meditator, is that because you’re gearing it toward beginners, or are you thinking on a different stream here?

0:38:30 Lizzie Lasater: So that’s funny. First of all, I love Ashanga yoga Paris. I’ve been teaching there for years, and they also. I laughed when they invited me. But then I have loved teaching there because it’s a serious group of yogis. It’s a group of people who take yoga seriously, and that is always so heartwarming to me. And I love, as you say, that they’re committed to that system, but they are so open minded. They have a little apartment at the studio, and so I often stay there and will go and practice in their mysore room in the mornings. And so often I’ve just said, like, do you mind if I join you because it’s fun to be in a room with people, but I’m kind of going to do my own practice. Like, I’m nothing gonna do.

0:39:15 Lizzie Lasater: First series, that was ancient history for my body, and that’s not what I need to be doing now. And they’re always like, yeah, sure, just come and like, do you do whatever you want to do? And like, such as me with my bolster my blocks and stuff, like doing my practice, but in that communal space. And I always think that’s like, such a really, like, such a testament to their open mindedness as a studio that they can tolerate.

0:39:41 Lizzie Lasater: See, so many, I feel like when we get in these yoga silos, it’s like we can’t tolerate the other ideas. We can take up yoga to become flexible, but we’re so inflexible of, like, other systems. You know, the amount of fights I’ve had with people with yoga friends about whether you should do headstand before shoulder stand or shoulder stand before headstand in your practice, because, like, Ayyungara and Ashanga have different philosophies. So what I mean about non meditators is just that.

0:40:10 Lizzie Lasater: Well, partially, it’s what I said before, that in restorative yoga, we support the body in positions of comfort and ease to support health and relaxation. So that’s kind of the definition that’s in the mom’s book, restore and rebalance of what restorative yoga is. The props are there to make the body comfortable, which is totally radical in a yoga context. So many of us have this preconception that as soon as we step onto the yoga mata, we’re going to be confronted with challenge and to some degree, discomfort, which is one of the focusing techniques that we use in the big arc of yoga.

0:40:50 Lizzie Lasater: In many asana practices, there is a kind of sensation of stretch or challenge which is helping us focus, and that’s surely by design. In other practices of yoga, we use, for example, in pranayama, the breath as a focus, same technique in restorative yoga. We want to be comfortable, so we don’t want the body to be speaking to us in any kind of as much as possible, aside from chronic pain, but we want to try to make the physical body as comfortable as possible.

0:41:23 Lizzie Lasater: Even that premise most people have, like, never experienced or not experienced since they were an infant, or like, it’s a very rare idea to stop, slow down, and then learn from someone very specific, targeted techniques for how to make your physical body comfortable. And what that does is it activates, it helps activate the parasympathetic nervous system. And we have our little tricks in restorative yoga that help deactivate the sympathetic nervous system, the fight or flight, and activate the parasympathetic.

0:42:01 Lizzie Lasater: And what happens when we do that is that the inborn systems of the body that already know how to relax, they take over. So your brain begins to shift from wakeful consciousness, the brain, measurably, the brainwave shifts into a more meditative state of consciousness. So it’s like, almost like cheating. You don’t have to be a meditator. You don’t have to know how to do it. It’s like the classic mindfulness meditation practice.

0:42:33 Lizzie Lasater: Usually the premise is to sit up in a chair or sit on the floor, which most people find uncomfortable. We would say, what I’ve learned from mom and Mary is that because we’re placing our pelvis incorrectly. But if you don’t know how to sit with complete, like, pain free for 20 minutes, then you’re going to be number one, struggling with physical sensation, and then you’re going to be struggling with the mind. You’re going to be catching yourself thinking, judging yourself for thinking, going off into thinking, like, all the stuff that happens when we try to meditate. But restorative yoga kind of goes around that by putting the body in, typically in a horizontal position or sometimes even an inverted position, which is even stronger pressure onto the sympathetic parasympathetic balance.

0:43:22 Lizzie Lasater: And so that’s why you don’t have to know how to meditate. Like, often, people who are brand new to restorative yoga have really successful experiences and experience this, what I call liminal space, which is like an in between space between wakefulness and sleep that is super restorative. That’s the word. It’s, you feel refreshed and nourished and down regulated and, like, it’s a moment where we’re removing the constant stimulation that is fracturing our attention.

0:44:04 Lizzie Lasater: And that’s why we also offer it in silence, which is scary sometimes, but we don’t. I explain it all, and we talk about the topic of science, a theme in the workshops, like, why are we being quiet in these poses? Why am I not talking to you? Why am I not playing music? Why am I not playing singing bowls? It’s because silence is its own onic for the brain.

0:44:30 A: Yeah, great point. Good explanation. That was cool. I like that. You, in two words, non meditator, are trying to sum up what everything you just said, and I see what you mean now. That’s really cool. When you read the. I remember attempting third series ashtanga, thinking about yoga sutras at Patanjali, and it’s saying, your asana should be stable and comfortable. And then my mind going, this isn’t really comfortable.

0:45:03 A: It’s actually kind of painful. And I’m sweating like crazy, and, oh, my God, I’m like, this is so freaking hard. And, um. And then I’m like, but wait, you’re saying, okay, okay, okay. So I’m in this really hard. I get it. I have to be really, like, I’m really comfortable. I’m really comfortable. Okay, I’m really comfortable.

0:45:22 Lizzie Lasater: Right.

0:45:22 A: But I’m not, you know, so you have this, like, little battle going on. So then you what? You’re, the way you’re describing restorative yoga and that kind of space of, like, subtle movement coming into relaxation and then just feeling. Do you feel like that’s a little closer to maybe what Patanjay was getting at?

0:45:44 Lizzie Lasater: That’s an interesting hypothesis. In mom’s level one restorative yoga teacher training that she offers, we do it online once a year. It’s coming in March 2025, and she does it around the world. And I do a couple live as well. The sutra that we teach from is Tada two, verse 46. Like abiding in ease, is asana. So that’s an interesting idea. I mean, I don’t know what Patanjali was thinking when they wrote the text all those years ago, but it could be. I mean, for me, my practice, I want to find the present moment.

0:46:32 Lizzie Lasater: And the best road in that I’m currently fascinated by is sensation. So my asana practice is primarily a way to create a changing set of sensations, the breath as well, to attract the mind to stay there, as opposed to going off into thought. That’s how I think of it. And then I think of the physical benefits as literally, like, side effects, you know, like, oh, the mobility, the flexibility, the strength.

0:47:11 Lizzie Lasater: Those are nice. That’s like, those are the side effects of this medication that I’m taking. But the reason that I’m taking the medication is about training my attention, which is when I frame it that way. Yoga is the number one most important practice technology for our time because of. We live in the attention economy, because our attention is so fractured, because our attention is so hijacked, all these conversations that we’ve been having and what we feel.

0:47:49 Lizzie Lasater: I think that a daily practice of a few minutes of, like, I’m going to put my attention on sensation right now and continue to return there because it starts to bleed out. Like I can. You can start to feel it in other places off the mat. And I notice, like, when I’m having a conversation with someone, especially a difficult conversation, it’s more likely now that I’ll have a moment or two where I can come back to my body.

0:48:23 A: Yes. Amazing, Lizzie. Yeah, I like it. I think that. I think, well, I can definitely see you’ve been raised around it and you’re living on your own accord and keeping it going here. I noticed that you have a degree in architecture. Does your architecture degree assist your understanding of anatomical alignment? Do they correlate at any points, like when you study ability? You know, like I always just, yeah, an architect’s mind looks at structure.

0:49:00 Lizzie Lasater: I never think of it, so I never think of it that way. That’s funny. I think about, it was the best degree. It was a three years master degree, very intense. It was a design studio based program. So it was a lot of moving from zero to one, like conceiving of an idea and then 3d modeling it, physical modeling it, drawing it, speaking about it, presenting it, and then iterating it, meaning going back to square one and then doing it again and again and again and again and again.

0:49:33 Lizzie Lasater: And that, I think, has been the most valuable in my. I mean, I’m a yoga teacher, but what I also am really, is a yoga content creator, is what my career has turned into, which I love. And I consider now you can look at everything as content, like my newsletter, Instagram, YouTube, online courses, workshops. In some way they’re in person content, but it’s like all of those forms, there’s a moment when you go from zero to one. There’s like a creative jump where you’re conceiving of a workshop, or conceiving of a newsletter essay, or a poem, or an online course. We just had a meeting yesterday for a new course that’s going to hopefully come out in Q four of 2025, like the last three months of 2025. But yesterday was the first conversation. And then there was even like one first 1st conversation. That was a week ago with one of my collaborators where she said, one spark of an idea.

0:50:39 Lizzie Lasater: And then that’s from Percy. And then yesterday we had an hour and a half conversation starting the outline, then we have another. It’s like, so that process, I consider that to be a design process. How do you move from the spark of an idea, a concept? How do you trust your creativity? How do you iterate? How do you make something and then look at it and then make another one and make it better. So, yes, that’s what I learned. That’s what I learned.

0:51:05 A: Well, that is cool.

0:51:06 Lizzie Lasater: I mean, the. Yeah, the building part is like, you know, I had that part. Anyway.

0:51:14 A: I love hearing about that. And I had a conversation with someone recently that we were, we were talking about our children going to college, and there’s a lot of, you know, you hear different ideas of people saying, oh, there’s no need to go to college anymore because, you know, this reason and that reason, and, and so. But my son is wanting to go, and I’m all for it. And, and a friend of mine, she said, like, you know, my daughter did this degree, that degree and this degree, and she’s doing something completely different to what all of her degrees were, but everything she learned in the process of learning what is now serving her in this moment. So I like that you’re using your design degree is just transformed into now how to design, because I’m attempting to put together an online course and, oh, my gosh, it is like I’m just laughing at myself through the whole thing because I’m so close to being finished and yet I’m really.

0:52:09 A: I’m actually getting there. It’s taking me so long. But I like that maybe I need a coach like you to kind of point out steps to from zero to one, but obviously there’s more steps to go down the track. But it is a fascinating process and I am learning a lot about myself going through it. Can you give me or, and. Or all of us listening a little inspiration to keep going? Because sometimes I get. I’m, like, midway through and just like, what am I doing? I had this idea. I thought it was a good idea. Now I’m halfway through, but I already have five other ideas.

0:52:46 A: I just want to finish this one idea. Can you just give me a little bit of motivation or inspiration to keep me going here?

0:52:53 Lizzie Lasater: Okay. What I was going to say to you, which is my biggest motto for this stuff, is start before you’re ready. So where you might be in the process is what I mean by start before you’re ready is actually start making the thing before you’re sure 100% about what it’s going to be. And it may be that I don’t know where you are again in the process, but it may be that you reach a point where everything you’ve made until now, you’re going to throw away.

0:53:23 Lizzie Lasater: That’s possible, but those ten videos you’ve already recorded were essential rehearsals for video eleven, which will actually become part of a course you’re going to sell to people. So.

0:53:34 A: Good point.

0:53:35 Lizzie Lasater: Start before you’re ready means get deeper into the process before there’s this idea of, like, I need to. To plan it out. Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect. And then I’m going to sit in front of a camera or get on a yoga mat, and then from that first moment, it’s going to be right. But the thing is, as we start filming, we realize, oh, I need a different camera. Oh, I need different lights. Oh, my microphone doesn’t really. Oh, we need to, like. And so what often happens is we dig ourselves into these tunnels where we.

0:54:09 Lizzie Lasater: Everything gets, like, pressured onto it. And then maybe you hire a video team or something, and then you’re, like, you’re there and then you’re doing the thing and you are realizing then that the outline isn’t so. It’s much better, I think, to start in smaller steps, to just, like, start before you’re ready. Start making the thing as a, like, trial run. And I always think of everything as a trial run.

0:54:35 A: I like it. That is good advice. It’s a great process. That’s cool. You do seem, I do get the overall vibe from you that you do enjoy doing it. Like, I think you’re. You’re pulling it off because, I mean, you could be, you could be making content and actually be miserable making it. Right? Like, we could be doing any job and be, like, totally miserable. So then to actually do job with joy is like a whole nother level. And I do. I feel like you’re. You’re good at that, Lizzie. It’s really cool. It’s really inspiring.

0:55:02 A: I reckon every compliment. Well. Well, of course. I mean, you’re working hard at it, too. Like, you’re really consistent, so you’re not slacking off. You’re clearly, you’re clear.

0:55:11 Lizzie Lasater: Okay, here’s my other piece.

0:55:14 A: I’ll take as much as. Yes.

0:55:17 Lizzie Lasater: So I feel like we’re so lucky yogis who are listening to this podcast, who also maybe want or need to make content for your yoga business or for your other job or for your restaurant or for whatever, because we kind of all need to create content now. I think we’re so lucky as yogis because we have this, like, built in practice. So a lot of my ideas and actual text comes from. I do my practice and then I sit down with my journal and I stream of consciousness morning pages style.

0:55:55 Lizzie Lasater: Right? Just write and the things bubble up. So because we’re used, we have this, like, regular connection with silence, presence, breath, whatever you want to call it through the practice. Like, it’s almost like we. We all have this, like, door that we know how to open on a daily, weekly basis to use that as your. Let it pull you in. And so for me, writing by hand with an actual. So I don’t have to go.

0:56:25 Lizzie Lasater: I don’t have any chance of interruption, that I just go straight from the mat, literally, to. And I’ve started doing some live sessions for free for newsletter subscribers where I actually do that. We do a little bit of movement, we do a shavasana, and then I give a journal prompt, like, okay, we’re all going to write here together for ten minutes. And I think that’s such fruitful, because when we practice, we touch into a kind of subconscious, no mind space, and there, that’s where there’s, like, wisdom or insight or ideas. So I think we’re so lucky, you know, like, to have that.

0:57:02 Lizzie Lasater: It’s like the practice feeds the practice, you know?

0:57:05 A: Yeah. Well, do you think that we’re thinking a little differently than most people about the content creation? I agree with you. I kind of feel like no matter what gig we’re in, no matter what game we’re playing, but. Okay, cool. Yeah, I’ve bitten that bullet. Like, I finally come to terms with it, and I’m really having fun with it, but I. I know a lot of folks that are, that will say to me, content creation, I’m like, what?

0:57:29 A: I’m just gonna look at it. It’s way more fun to actually create it than it is just to read everybody else’s. I mean, it’s fun to read everybody else’s, too, to get inspiration, but I think it’s actually kind of fun to do it.

0:57:40 Lizzie Lasater: Yeah, I agree. I have fun doing it. And I. A big shift is when I started working with a photographer who I love, my friend Danny. And we shoot about once a month or every other month, and then I kind of. I have the material, so I then, like, the words come later, but then I have. I can just grab a photo from this and pair it. So I don’t always think it’s. It’s exhausting to try to shoot something every single day if you’re trying to post every single day. And, like, my hair doesn’t always look like this every single day, you know, like, I made an effort for your podcast, so, you know what I mean? Like, 630 in the morning.

0:58:23 Lizzie Lasater: I’m. There isn’t, like, a visual thing that I maybe have, but I have a folder of all these photos that have now and videos that have accumulated. And so it’s. It’s kind of like divorcing that process. So then you pick one day, and depending on your budget or studio, whatever, maybe it’s one day a year, one day a quarter, one day a month, where you work 2 hours with the great photographer, it’s like to kind of, you just get a chunk of stuff and then you have that to, it’s like almost like you go out and make a salami and then you can like, thin slice it for.

0:58:57 A: Yeah. Yes.

0:59:00 Lizzie Lasater: For sharing. But mostly, I mean, I just feel, I’ll say in conclusion, number one, thank you for having me.

0:59:07 A: Thank you for being here.

0:59:07 Lizzie Lasater: Super grateful to be thought of. And I feel so privileged that we get to do yoga, learn yoga, sometimes teach yoga as a living. This is like the ultimate privilege to have the time, energy, peace, space, to get to focus on the question of consciousness, breath, presence, the body. These really, really are privileged. There are so many people who don’t get to have as much fun for their job or for their, even for their hobby that don’t have the time and space and privilege to focus on these things.

0:59:45 A: So I agree with you.

0:59:47 Lizzie Lasater: Really. We’re really hashtag blessed.

0:59:51 A: Thank you so much. I really appreciate.

0:59:53 Lizzie Lasater: We’re actually blessed. And I.

0:59:57 A: Well, man, well, thank you, because I knew you were going to be fun to talk to. So thank you so much for bringing the energy and the vibes and the inspiration. And I’m going to keep following and watching and keep. I want to join your low back course. My back needs it. I want to come to Paris and do some restorative yoga.

1:00:16 Lizzie Lasater: I had an American. You’re welcome to come.

1:00:19 A: An American in Europe. That’s a no. That’s cool. That’s cool. We still get around. Some Americans do travel still. We get international. We’re not just hanging out, eating apple pie.

1:00:33 Lizzie Lasater: No, no, no.

1:00:34 A: We’re everywhere.

1:00:35 Lizzie Lasater: It was so lovely to meet you.

1:00:37 A: Thank you, Lizzie. Well, I wish you the best. Good luck with the boys, and I look forward to talking to you soon. Thank you.