Shri Alchemy - Embracing the Journey: Exploring Yoga, Medicine, and Art

In this episode Todd McLaughlin interviews Shri Alchemy about her journey in yoga and plant medicine. They discuss her upbringing in a spiritual community, her experiences with Kambo and other plant medicines, and her current work as a yoga teacher and skincare product maker. Shri also shares insights from her practice and the importance of finding stillness and connection in yoga.

Visit Shri on Instagram: @shri.alchemy https://www.instagram.com/shri.alchemy/?hl=en
On her website: https://www.metsibotanics.com/

During this conversation Shri talks about:

• Kambo as a powerful medicine that can help detoxify the body and provide clarity and healing.
• Meridian yoga and Ayurveda have deepened Shri's understanding of the subtle body and emotions.
• It's important to approach yoga and plant medicine with reverence and intention, creating a clear container for the experience.
• The Hatha Yoga Pradipika emphasizes the simplicity and profound effects of yoga postures and practices.

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Chapters

• 0:33 Introduction to the podcast and guest, Shri Metsi
• 5:07 Shri Metsi shares the sparks that led her to her current path
• 13:23 Challenges faced recently, including dealing with construction and finding a new place to live.
• 17:36 Practiced with Dharma Mitra and found his teachings impactful.
• 36:28 Personal experience of intense pain and subsequent clarity with combo.
• 42:38 Shri discusses how she manages anxiety through breathwork.
• 55:43 The challenges of turning a passion into a profession
• 1:04:30 Appreciation for meeting and staying in touch

Transcript

Todd McLaughlin: 0:33

Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast. So happy you are here. My goal with this channel is to bring inspirational speakers to the mic in the field of yoga, massage bodywork and beyond. Follow us @nativeyoga and check us out at nativeyogacenter.com All right, let's begin Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast. I'm so excited to be here with you now. I have a special guest for you. This is Shri and you can find Shri at @shri.alchemy on Instagram. Also, you can check her out on our website, which is metsibotanics.com link below, click follow. For those of you that want to support the show, you'll see the link as well down below. Every little bit is greatly appreciated. And I'm so excited to have this chance to speak with Shri. She has so many interesting stories and she's really open about her journey. And I think you're gonna enjoy I can't wait to hear any feedback from you. And let's go ahead and begin. I'm so happy to have this opportunity to speak with Shri and Shri, How are you feeling today?

Shri Metsi: 1:54

I'm feeling good. I'm feeling like I am in the eye of the storm.....kind of mood right now.

Todd McLaughlin: 2:03

Oh, nice. The Eye of the Storm is pretty amazing spot to be. Have you ever been in the eye of a storm before literally like the eye of a hurricane?

Shri Metsi: 2:13

I have not Well, I guess a little bit during Sandy and I grew up in Long Island and in Long Island. Maybe we were it was crazy. There was boats everywhere on people's lawns.

Todd McLaughlin: 2:24

Yeah, that is so nuts, isn't it? I heard Sandy was like really bad hurricane. Yeah, we're pretty bad. What are you in New York now?

Shri Metsi: 2:35

I am in New York. Yeah, upstate New York.

Todd McLaughlin: 2:38

Cool. What town? I'm curious. I don't really know upstate New York very well. I've only been in New York City. I haven't been north in New York City.

Shri Metsi: 2:45

It's um, right now I'm in New Paltz. So that like 20 minutes outside of New Paltz, and it's like, two hours? 15 minutes from the city.

Todd McLaughlin: 2:53

Got it? And did you grow up on Long Island? I did. Cool. What town Do you mind me asking?

Shri Metsi: 3:01

Yeah, it's a little town on the south shore called Freeport.

Todd McLaughlin: 3:05

Cool. My dad is from Oceanside. Long Island.

Shri Metsi: 3:08

Oh, okay. That's like two towns over. I've spent so much time there. Very cool.

Todd McLaughlin: 3:13

I've never gotten a chance to visit that specific town. I had been in Long Island before. And it was a it was a really interesting experience. That's, that's amazing. So are you now residing in the upstate New York area? Or do you kind of go by

Shri Metsi: 3:26

I am. Yeah, for a while, I was going back and forth. And I started hosting retreats here and just retreating myself here all the time. And I was like, alright, we need to make the full switch the full moon.

Todd McLaughlin: 3:39

Nice, very cool. And could you tell me a little bit about like what your current work entails?

Shri Metsi: 3:48

Yeah, so I am a woman of many trades. I teach yoga, and a few different yoga studios around here, which has been really nice to transition from teaching. I don't know like five years or so in Long Island. And then like, building that community up here. Now. It's been beautiful. So do that. And then I host a lot of different gatherings and ceremonies around different topics. And they're very much like seasonal also, like I switch what I do seasonally. And I also made different herbal skincare products that are influenced by Ayurveda. And just like aren't just old folklore things I grew up with, like my central American mom. And I also host retreats and trainings and the retreats also have different themes, but around like Zen Buddhism and yoga and connecting with nature and being with ourselves, and some are only for women. So that's been sweet. And yeah, just different things. I do Meridian massage and insert medicine. It's really a lot of things. Very cool.

Todd McLaughlin: 4:59

Can you tell me You what you would attribute the spark that got you on this path?

Shri Metsi: 5:07

Yeah, um, I mean, there was a few different sparks, because I think I got on the path and then was like, I want to just be a little more mundane right now. And, you know, and then I needed another spark. But the the first spark was for my mom, and just the way I grew up, just a super spiritual. Just, I don't kind of like far out upbringing, like, the beliefs and the stories and the things that have happened and working with medicine and like witchcraft, that just was always around me. And around a lot of like, the community I was in also. So it felt kind of casual. And actually thought that that like, that was normal to me, and I wanted to, like, be normal at one point, and like, just have some Pepto Bismol instead of all these weird are on TV and normal, you know. So yeah, I think that was just like my teenage part of like, conditioning, you know, television and all that stuff. So the second spark was this group that my mom, she's still in it, and like very much like her whole life is around it. It's like a sect of Christianity. But it's pretty cool. Like, it has some shifts where it's not like, you know, to connect to Jesus or to have this, this connection to the divine that it needs to be like, through a priest or through someone else. But you can cultivate that connection through your own through like devotion and reverence and prayer and like togetherness in that. So that group, definitely, like rocked my world and caught the Holy Ghost a few times and would really just like pass out and ecstasy from like these prayers that would go on there. And I don't know, it was maybe like 12, or something like that. So that was a huge spark, something that like, I couldn't forget, even in like my older, crazy years, it was always there. And then eventually, just finding like actual yoga class, and studios just did it for me and like, kept me on the path.

Todd McLaughlin: 7:05

Nice, nice. What was that first yoga studio studio experience, like?

Shri Metsi: 7:12

Oh, it was amazing. So this little yoga studio, where I ended up doing like my 200 hour teacher training at all was literally right down my road. And I always saw it growing up as a kid and was so attracted to it called breathing flow yoga. And I always thought that I had to be like a teen or an adult to like, go in there and do yoga. So when I was, like, 16, going on 17. And like graduating high school and getting my first car, I was like, if I can have a car, I can go into a yoga class. So I just walked in there. And I was just like, crying the whole time. Because it really felt like something I've known my whole life and something that like I finally found and came back to. And I just like, it was just my language that I was already like, into and speaking, but I didn't know that other people were speaking this language. And then I remember in shavasana, again, I was just crying, like, so grateful. And just having these thoughts like, I'm gonna do this my whole entire life and like, I'm gonna be a yoga teacher. And I was like, Oh, we know, I'm supposed to like practice shavasana not think and I remember that being like, my memories of that. Those grades first time.

Todd McLaughlin: 8:25

That's cool. That's cool. You know, first thought that pops into my mind is that when I grew up in a Christian background home and had been to different gatherings where there were situations that sound possibly similar to what you experienced when you were around 12 Were the terminology that was around at the time for me it was like called slain in the Spirit. And so there's this idea of like, going up. And it sounds very much when I read about what happens in India in relation to Shakti pot, which is like this initiation ceremony where potentially some teacher guru person would maybe just being around them, or maybe having them put their hand on your head that you'd have some sort of Kundalini awakening experience. But I can't say that the experiences I had as a kid with the the sort of traditions were all that phenomenal. But then when you made mention of growing up your mom having association with witchcraft, like right away, I almost get scared because I feel like there's so much in the Christian world of sand like whoa, be be aware of that other side, which involves that so I, I just want to hear from your experience having been around it from a young age. How do you make sense of all that?

Shri Metsi: 9:56

Yeah, um, well, I think the way I make sense of it has been influenced a lot by my mom's process with it because she is so involved in the church like she's like, one of like the head leaders for the prayers and, like, speaks tongues and all that, you know, like very things that you need to be very involved into the church to like, yeah, see at that point. But yeah, I know that, like, she knows all these things that I've seen her do growing up. So yeah, it's been beautiful to watch her process with it. And like her decisions on why she wanted to stop certain practices or not have been deep points of reflection to me. And there's this, this level of like, surrender to the Divine, where you don't want to meddle too much with some of these witchcraft practices. And I think that resonates with me, too, like seeing my mom's choices behind it. I think she can be a little more extreme than me. Like, I don't think like, oh, it's just the devil work. I think it can be your own ego, though, or your own shadow that's trying to have all this control and manipulation of certain things, especially like other people. So to me, it's not devil, I think it could just be your own shadow. So I, you know, I see her perspective. And I changed some words with some of like, my world's words, you know,

Todd McLaughlin: 11:22

yeah. Yeah. That's really interesting. I appreciate you answering that. I know, it may be could be a delicate subject. But But I think why not talk about it? Do you agree?

Shri Metsi: 11:34

I love talking about it. Yeah.

Todd McLaughlin: 11:36

Do I mean, we all kind of like, we look back on the way our parents raised us. I mean, I don't know if everyone feels this way. But I mean, I can look back. And you know, there's certain things that I really appreciate. And there's certain things that I still struggle with, do you feel like you have moments where you're all in and moments where you question things? Or are you? Where are you? How do you feel about that?

Shri Metsi: 11:58

Um, I think I will always question things. Yeah.

Todd McLaughlin: 12:04

Good answer. Yeah.

Shri Metsi: 12:08

Yeah, I think it would be so boring to just be like, this is only it. And I love when life humbles me a different perspective, or a way to just like broaden my awareness. And also, like, just let go more also what I'm holding on to and like, just honor that mystery, and not need to figure it all out. But I do notice that when I do go into this deep questioning stuff, like what am I practicing, why am I practicing? Do I believe it? And like, on like, what if it's not the way or whatever, you know, I think it helps me just reaffirm my, my beliefs and my trust in it. And also, like, let go some stuff and maybe don't need to hold on to anymore. So usually serves me so.

Todd McLaughlin: 12:49

Yeah, I agree. I hear you about the fine line element of that. Right. Like, like we're the the moderation that's required with questioning. Mm hmm. Yeah. What is? Well, you know, it's interesting that you said, I feel like I'm in the eye of the storm, that would imply that you went through something challenging, you're now in a pretty good spot, but you expect some more challenge. Can you talk a little bit about like, maybe what challenges you've gone through recently, that would indicate that you've moved from storm to calm?

Shri Metsi: 13:23

Yeah, I mean, the storm still going, I think I've just just really been supporting myself extra with that, which helps me just like, except, which is a huge part that I think brings me that feeling of like calm and Greece within the chaos. But um, right now, like, there's construction where I'm living, so just like, letting go of so much stuff and having to look at how much stuff I have has been a lot. And my attachments to all these things. And I've gone through phases where they let go of everything, total minimalist, and then I'm like, Oh, beautiful things, take it all back in. So that and then just like I have to find a place to live during the construction. So that's a little overwhelming. And yeah, so it's like very on still the storm.

Todd McLaughlin: 14:14

Yeah. Understood. Understood. I get that. That first class that you went to, if you had to clump it into or categorize it into a specific style or type of practice, what would you label it as? Like a Vinyasa flow?

Shri Metsi: 14:33

Yeah, it was the vinyasa. Cool.

Todd McLaughlin: 14:35

And then from there, can you give me a little bit of a snapshot of what type of different yoga practices you've encountered and what's really resonated with you over the years?

Shri Metsi: 14:46

Yeah, so I started with vinyasa and pretty much all the classes there were vinyasa. And then there was a good amount of yin yoga. So I started practicing in early on, which I think was great for like a young teenager to slow down and find stillness. It's helped me so much in life. And then I got really into restorative yoga. Maybe about like three years into practicing yoga. I like her, like every joint and limb on my body because I was so flexible. And let's just throw myself into all of these postures. So then, let's just do restorative for a while I couldn't even do like a child's pose without feeling like they were gonna break.

Todd McLaughlin: 15:28

So yeah. I mean, do you mind me, just to have some, some understanding of like, what age you were at, at that point that you felt that much discomfort in your body? Maybe like, 18. Wow. That's good to hear. That's interesting. I think there's that. I'm gonna let you finish. And then I'll, I'll come back with some questions. But restorative a

Shri Metsi: 15:53

lot of restorative and just like yoga nidra, and things that I really didn't need to, like, do a lot of Asana for, like, that's when I got into like, pranayama. And I was like, Oh, cool. Like, I can go to those same places I did, in these other active classes without that much action and actually can go like really special places through stillness. So I got really into just teachers that like, spoke more about like, the subtle practices and the subtle body. And I and that's when I started practicing Ashtanga which really was just so great for just like re strengthening my body and like healing from all those injuries. And it's such a meditative practice. So it was just fabulous. And then I found my teacher diamond Mitra in New York City. He's amazing. That's right. Now

Todd McLaughlin: 16:43

Yeah, we had this we talked about this because you know, Aaron body aware Do you know or Aaron? Yeah. Rose Vaughn. Like my teacher and and we'll do pre

Shri Metsi: 16:56

Yeah, yeah, I met Will in my first teacher training on my 200 hour breathing flow. And I was like, Oh, like this is this is a lot of this world I didn't know existed. amazing teacher.

Todd McLaughlin: 17:08

We had a chance to host will hear for workshops before and that's when I first met him. And I haven't gotten a chance to meet Aaron yet in person. But I did have her on the podcast. And she was so cool. Oh, man. Cool. She is so awesome. So that's cool is that's great that yeah, I'm happy to learn about that connection. Can you tell me a little bit about what your journey has been like practicing with? Dharma Mitra?

Shri Metsi: 17:36

Yeah, I mean, I really he's so special to me, because little things like this, like, wearing a posture one time and you know, he shows all these, these things that are a little crazy. And I was like, oh, cool, like 80 year old man showing me things I've never seen before, with like so much playfulness, and like, lightness and joy. So I'm in this pose, and I'm taking it so serious. I'm like, oh my god, I'm like doing this intense hard pose. I gotta focus. And he's just like, imagine you're on the palm of the Lord. And I just like, soften my whole body and to get from like, this, me doing this pose to like, this offering of the posture and of like, my, my concentration and my awareness and that. So he really shifted it from being like this knee doing the pose to like, this very connective experience with like, all in with God. So that was read. And yeah, he his like style. And his essence totally sticks with me in all my classes. So it's really cool. And so Aaron studied with him for a very long time. So her teacher and you know, talks about him all the time. And my other teacher Yoshio. So practicing with them has been really beautiful to just like, kind of stay in the same energy of the practice.

Todd McLaughlin: 19:01

Yes. That's awesome. I had a chance to practice with him once in here in Florida. And it was a really interesting experience. So I'm so excited to talk to other people that have gotten to be around him. He's definitely a really special person, for sure. That's cool. Yeah. And so then you start practicing Dharma Mitra yoga in Manhattan. You're you're in downtown New York. So what are you commuting from Long Island, upstate New York into the city? Yeah, to take a class and then leave again? Or do you have friends in the city that you could stay with overnight? A bit of a journey, right.

Shri Metsi: 19:37

It was my weekly journey.

Todd McLaughlin: 19:39

Cool. Nice. Do you still make that journey?

Shri Metsi: 19:43

I tell now, because I'm upstate and I'm so much further before it was like a 45 minute train ride. And like a 20 minute walk which was lovely. To go to his class today to make it a day I would like get acupuncture from Erin actually she's also an acupuncturist, and then take dharmas class to make it like a whole mean day, but yeah, it's so much harder now.

Todd McLaughlin: 20:04

Yeah, I hear ya. I hear Yeah. That's cool. And then so beyond that, did that kind of like, like close it off for you to where you don't feel like you're looking or studying with different teachers? You know what I mean? Like, are you? I think we're all students. We're open to new teachers all the time. But I'm just curious, like, are you? Do you feel like you're grounded in that sort of whole style or way of approaching yoga?

Shri Metsi: 20:36

Yeah, I feel very, like it feels very aligned and just like wholesome that that approach which I love reading, the Hatha Yoga Pradipika. And Aaron also teaches from it a lot. I've done some like trainings courses with her where like, we really practice out of like that perspective. So like, with just the different trainings and the classes with with him like, I practice on my own that way, but in this area, I actually was just talking to my friend about this the other day that I feel like this sense of like longing and like, emptiness of like, the going to the yoga studio and getting the classes like practicing with like my teachers, I do miss it very much. So yeah, I just recently found someone that had learned under Dharma Mitra, like 20 minutes from here, so I'm gonna go check out their class and hope can like, catch that vibe there again.

Todd McLaughlin: 21:36

Yeah, I hear. Yeah. That's a big transition going from being around all that incredible energy to them being needing to be completely self sufficient for generating the enthusiasm.

Shri Metsi: 21:48

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, there's great teachers. I'm just like, I know what I like and what works for me now that it just doesn't feel good to like, I don't know, do other sorts of styles that just don't do it for me anymore.

Todd McLaughlin: 22:02

Yeah. You brought up the Hatha Yoga Pradipika. And I remember kind of briefly reading it, not really getting into it, but just like reading it and going, Whoa, this is really interesting. And then I took a workshop with a teacher who is in the world of like, tantra and meditation. And he came in and was like, you know, I don't know why all these modern yoga studios sell the Hatha Yoga Pradipika because the practices in the Hatha Yoga Pradipika are so extreme, you know, in relation to talking about doing the cutting of the tongue and catching on with the bindu and some of the other cleansing or practices are fairly intense, obviously, for those that have read it, but I'm curious what you've taken from it that you can apply to the modern day your modern this this life currently are here now. Yeah.

Shri Metsi: 23:05

Yeah, um, I think beyond the extremities actually like the Simplicity's of the book. Like how much reverence and like even the way they they talk up so dramatically, like the simple postures like partially molten asana and like all the cities that come from it, and and all these, like very simple intestinal, like digestive benefits and stuff, like I love that, like the honoring of the simplicity and how deep and how profound of an experience it can be like if you put your attention to what you're doing in a simple posture, like just sit Asana.

Todd McLaughlin: 23:42

Right. Great point. Great answer. You're right, because like, if we look at Dharma is poster of, what is the number of the amount of poses on it? Like, is it like 1008? Or something like

Shri Metsi: 23:54

that? I have the book. It's like, yeah,

Todd McLaughlin: 23:58

you're right, then pick up a text that's just like, look, here's one pose. And look at all this incredible stuff that can happen from this one pose. You're right. That's a that is pretty cool.

Shri Metsi: 24:08

Yeah, I always found that inspirational. And then also, like, I think they do a good point of emphasizing the greater the greater purpose of doing these practices, which I just love being reminded of. So I'm a fan of it, but yeah, and then I think it's also interesting to like, I'm like, I don't want to cut the bottom of my tongue you know, to touch my like, third eye with my tongue, but I just think it's like the same way I look at art like it can be so insane and I'm just like admiring it. Like I think I just admire those things in there.

Todd McLaughlin: 24:42

What do you think the connection between that sort of concepts and modern day body, what is it what was the proper term logic terminology I could use like, say like, pure seeing and all or tattooing and or like what body modification? Yeah, you know, because I mean, at some level, there has to be an idea of like mind over matter in relation to pain and discomfort in relation to being able to handle some sort of modification done to the body. And it seems to me too, like what Hatha Yoga Pradipika practices entail, are, are also along the same line that are easy to judge from the, from the outside world. And if we don't understand it, we could look at it and be like, that seems crazy. Why would you do that? But then when you're in it, there's a there's something to it. Do you have any insights regarding? Either that this?

Shri Metsi: 25:44

Yeah, yeah, I think of the word like Topas you know, with like, just that friction and fire and how we really can purify our, like beliefs and our doubts and our like, strengthen our mental power and will and concentration through some of these practices. And I think, you know, might not be for everyone, especially like your nervous system is super dysregulated. And just kind of stress yourself out more with these kinds of things like coal plunging, for example. But I really do think you can get a lot of medicine out of these practices with a certain body awareness and intention, you know, and purpose behind it. I personally, like love practices like that, like I do do like the cold plunging, but it was always a thing for me of like, going in very relaxed and doing it very slow and taking at least like eight relaxed breaths while I'm in there to train that ability to like, be at ease and to just watch and cultivate equanimity, not just like, I'm gonna go in there, like run out kind of thing. So I mean, I've I've learned,

Todd McLaughlin: 26:49

yeah, that's cool. Can you tell me something else that you've garnished from being around Aaron, and practicing or being being with Aaron?

Shri Metsi: 27:00

Yeah, so, um, so there's Dharma right in his essence, and I love how she like, shares that essence of just like devotion, and the yoga practice and the yoga lineage, but she's also an acupuncturist and practices. Chinese medicine, which I also love, and I think is so wise and like poetic and beautiful. So she combined both and does Meridian yoga. And that has just been life changing in bringing you so much deeper into my body, and just really expanded like subtle body awareness for me of thinking about these meridians and also very empowering to not just have like this wall between me and my emotions, but to really find a deeper understanding of where they come from, and how they work and how they move and how I can meet them better like through my body or just through like pressure points or through my mind, through ways to support myself and like literally, like taking care of certain organs that hold certain emotions has been really fun and just deep for me

Todd McLaughlin: 28:04

nice. Can you explain a little bit to me what type of ceremonies you facilitate in the realm of either combo and or plant medicine?

Shri Metsi: 28:16

Yeah, so combo I've been working with since I'm like 17, or something, the vessel counting years, I don't know, like nine years or so. And when I serve combo now, I mean, it's changed throughout the years, but I do a lot of one on ones. I really love doing one on ones I do do some group ceremonies. If I'm doing it alone, usually about five people there's more than that I'll like bring on some assistance. And I love just making it like a whole experience not just like here's this medicine, my but like yeah, talking and connecting beforehand and prayer and just just creating like a nice container like a clear container why we're doing it. No, I'm bringing in like reverence and I like talking about like the frog and like share my stories about it's just like create like relation with it even before sitting with it. During the ceremonies, sound music is very much involved in certain methods of like helping move the energy and supporting the person while they're going through that experience also, and that is like in so many different ways that that can be and then after I really like focus on the resting and like the integration where you're like restorative yoga for some time. When I do the group ceremonies, I do like a sound bath after which I think also helps just like with the restoration and helping to move any other energy and yeah, just like staying in contact and becoming friends with a lot of these people also and seeing how like combo shifts are life afterwards.

Todd McLaughlin: 29:56

Nice. Is there A Chance, it can make things even more challenging than they already are. Or does it often always offer some clarity?

Shri Metsi: 30:12

It always does. You know, I've worked with different medicines, and I think other medicines, not everyone, you know, like I think a lot of people shouldn't work with like psychedelics, honestly, unless they have like a guide, or they're really working on dosage properly. That's just my personal opinion from working on it since I'm like, 15 years old. But with combo, I feel like almost everyone can get it. Like it's just so straight to the point. And like very, it's almost like a scientific, I mean, they all can be scientific, but it's a very like on the physical level, just cleanse your body out, it's like doing a detox that's formulated for your body. And out of that, you will feel lighter, and you will have some more clarity because there's stagnation, there's mud that's being moved off of your body. So combo is used a lot to like, prepare for different medicines, or like to tribes, you know, like a lot of them like work with it every single day. It's not something that will like disorient you after like, it'll only leave you feeling more clear and spacious. Unless like you had a crazy like tumor that you didn't know about and combo, like made something rupture. Now you have a problem like that would have been a problem anyways, and now you're just dealing with it sooner.

Todd McLaughlin: 31:24

Interesting. Yeah. So I know it's a big one, right? I mean, there's, there's, there's a lot to all this. So do Can you give me I've never experienced combo, can you give me an idea of what an experience that you've had in the past was like, Can you can you explain it? Is it is it something that is explainable?

Shri Metsi: 31:53

It's pretty explainable. Yeah, I mean, there's some like space for nuance and subtlety, but for the most part, it's very, kind of the same thing every time. So it comes from a frog, it's a secretion from abroad and the way it gets packaged, I guess, I mean, it's very rustic packaging, it's like a fancy packaging. It's all like a slab of wood, and it goes on there, and then you to activate it, you can't use water, it has to be saliva, it's like the same peptides and our saliva help to activate the peptides and molecules in that so you make your saliva with it, and then there becomes like these little drops of goo pretty much and then the opening of the gates in the body is just like this little stick that looks like an incense pretty much you light it up Like it's incense looks like a little incense or cigar, it's very small. And then you just go like and just take off like one layer of your skin. So it leaves behind like just a very small dot. And traditionally, women get served on the ankles. And for the most part, men get served on the arm. There's a whole bunch of things that are going on now that people are doing in the different parts of the body. Like depending on meridians and stuff, but I just keep it casual and simple. So once it goes on you feel it instantly there's like a very burning sensation there in that area. And usually the first things that you feel are like a lot of heat and discomfort, it's really not a comfortable medicine it's so that's I think also separates it a lot and it's like you're just sitting with all your shit, you're rumbling it all up and bringing it all up to the surface for you to feel and it's like all your toxins. So a lot of people use it to like detox off of like drugs and all and you know, it feels like a terrible it's just all coming up to the surface at once. You can put on your ankles and it will be more gentle. But if you can just like breathe through that part and just keep it steady like it really can be such a beautiful experience and it is a purging medicine so at some point you will most likely throw up not to drink a lot of water beforehand. You might go through the other end there's been times where I'm just like sobbing crying the whole time like all my grief in my lungs like literally hurt it's it can be very intense. Some people do pass out and there's like I've heard a lot of reasons why the tribes believe people pass out because like for them they never pass out it's really just like they've seen like Westerners and like foreigners from from like their pass out. So it's very interesting. Yeah, but then the the part where like can be very unique is just like it scans your body and sees what's going on with you. And we all have different stuff even if it's the same person sitting with it. It's different every single time at some point like what comes up. So I'll share my first time i I literally was like, Oh my God, why did I do this? I feel like I'm gonna die. Like, I really thought I was gonna die like this is it, this is the end. And I was like damn like because I was in so much pain also. At that point I had suffered with like a really painful ulcer for about, I don't know, three years I was always doing the doctors always like trying to take Tums and eliminating things from my diet, it was just the worst pain ever. And anything that made me like scared or nervous or shocked, it'd be just like shooting pain right in the stomach, where I expected it all the time. Like, if I knew something was going to be stressful, I'm like, Oh my God, this pain is coming. So it was like normal for me at that point. So during my first combo session, the pain was so intense that I was just like, curled up in a ball screaming, I couldn't take it. And then I was like, alright, well, I you know, I've been doing these practices long enough where I can choose to stop victimizing myself and trust the medicine and go into deep looking and listening and feeling and breathing. And once I did that, everything just shifted. And I just started to feel all like the anger and the suppressed anger really, that was like in my like stomach and in my liver. And I just started like saying, Sorry, and accepting it and praying to Jesus and God. And the pain just subsided little by little, and it just ended up with like me just getting so much clarity on like, suppressed anger and emotions and things that I was dealing with. So I was like, Alright, cool.

Todd McLaughlin: 36:28

Yeah, I really appreciate you sharing that story. Thank you so much. Because I mean, I, it's so great to hear, like firsthand accounts. And that that's pretty amazing.

Shri Metsi: 36:42

Yeah, and I will share just what like made me stay working with the medicine after it causing me so much software and really like sitting with that is that I never got that ulcer pain. Again, something I dealt with for three whole years, acknowledging it and breathing into it with his medicine.

Todd McLaughlin: 36:57

Yeah, yeah. We'll take a short little break, something happens Shree musta gotten cut off. As the interesting thing about zoom. And the internet, is that we never know what's going to happen. who also worked, what could have happened, she could have her Her battery could have died on her phone. That could be something for sure. And I'm just gonna hang out here for a moment and just see if she joins back on and, and process that information. I know, I've been hearing about combo. And I think, you know, probably personally like I respect what, what everybody does, right? I someone told me recently they came across this more modern philosophy that is let them let them like if if you have children and your children are learning to navigate the world, let them let them navigate it, like don't micromanage, don't try to do everything for them, like let them figure it out. You know, and obviously guidance is critical. So I'm not you know, saying just like leave your kids somewhere. But you know, there's probably some wisdom behind the let them philosophy also, there's a concept in relation to someone's telling me that you can also use that as that if somebody is like, being mean to you and or treating you and or just acting really unruly and, and let them just let them, let them be them. Let them do their thing doesn't mean it has to affect us. It can affect us, we can choose to let it affect us. But we can also just like let them do their thing. And I guess what it all boils down to as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. And I know that can even go deeper. But I guess in relation back to this idea with combo I remember the first time I heard about it for me personally knowing that I will have scars from the administration of the treatment makes me just you know just think I don't know if I want to do that. And but also hearing what she was talking about in relation to relation to how difficult it was like how much going into the pain and I mean there's something to this going into the pain is definitely something that is absolutely essential. Like if you have really intense pain, the more we resist it and try to like, fight it. It just gets worse. And then there's this element of when we finally surrender to it, and just say, alright, take me that it just its grip is loosened. And so there's so many different ways to contact that and get in touch with that. And then hopefully we won't have to write. That's kind of what I'm always hoping, hopefully, like, the pain will subside, and, and it does. And you come out the other side going cheese, thou was intense. So I guess that's my first thoughts after hearing what she was saying, kinda. Oh, I saw something blip on the screen just coming back in. She's coming back in. There she is. There she is. Did your phone battery die? Did your phone battery die?

Shri Metsi: 40:52

It died. And also my Zoom wouldn't let me back in Oh,

Todd McLaughlin: 40:57

I just kept chatting. I just kept talking. I was just processing everything you told me just to thin air over here. I figured you come back. I wanted to give you a little bit of time. I had a feeling you're gonna come back. Yay. Yes, I got a little feedback. Let's work on the sound.

Shri Metsi: 41:17

Let's see. We should be good. Now as far as the car connected.

Todd McLaughlin: 41:22

Oh, yeah, you're on the Bluetooth. It actually sounds pretty clear though.

Shri Metsi: 41:31

Can you hear me? Fine. It's not connecting to the headphones. But if you can hear me,

Todd McLaughlin: 41:34

I can hear you totally fine, actually. Okay,

Shri Metsi: 41:37

great. So we'll just keep the headphones out of the equation.

Todd McLaughlin: 41:40

Cool. Yeah, I mean, isn't life like this? You just need we just keep rolling with it.

Shri Metsi: 41:47

Yeah, I think I'm pretty used to this.

Todd McLaughlin: 41:54

Will you know, do you do ever? How do you Shree manage? What's the right? Well, I think you kind of explained, my question was going to be like, how do you manage the intensity of emotion that can come up with chaos? Because like, you know, it's, it can be I don't know, if you have anxiety, if you've ever experienced anxiety, but like, when when anxiety comes up, like, you know, sometimes chaos definitely can trigger anxiety. Do you have challenges with anxiety at all? Or do you got it? Do you feel like you have that pretty under wraps these days?

Shri Metsi: 42:30

I used to hard like, I got prescribed medication for when I was younger, and I used to like almost blackout from panic attacks when I was younger. Wow. And pranayama did it for me. Like whenever a little like phone dies, exhale, exhale, exhale. And like, I think I've just been practicing that for so long. And I was actually able to regulate my nervous system and like confide in that practice. Also, like, even if it's easier to just choose to go off into the spiral, like trusting that the breath will keep everything Shanti really has helped so much.

Todd McLaughlin: 43:06

Yeah. That's amazing. That's cool that you were able to turn it around. And you feel like now these days you can if you if you get any inkling of that sensation, you're able to manage it pretty quickly.

Shri Metsi: 43:19

Yeah, honestly, the breath is like instant, instant medicine. And of course, like mentally being friendly to myself and all that, but the breath is always first for sure.

Todd McLaughlin: 43:29

Yeah. Do you feel that? Working with plant medicine has that slight? Like, like, not sure which way it's gonna go type of thing? You know what I mean? Like, where? If you are anxious, and I mean, what you explained in relation to the combo ceremony is a classic experience, isn't it? Where I think I'm going to die. This is so painful. And then the surrender, and the healing that comes from that surrender process. Have you come into any situations where you've been working with somebody or maybe yourself where, where it didn't work out? Well, where it and you might have made mentioned that when you said why you think people might need to be careful with psychedelics because it could potentially not work out well for them. So I'm just curious how you navigate that now. Because I'm at a point in my life where I'm like, who I'm glad I did that when I was young, and now I'm just so happy to be just like, the more normal things can like 100 normals a stupid word now but like the more like just boring. Life can be I love that. Like I want things to be really simple and boring right now. What What are your thoughts around around You know that those ideas?

Shri Metsi: 45:02

Yeah, I get it. I love the simple now where yes, I have had like the most extremes of extremes. Yeah, I mean, I've seen it just be very taxing on people's minds and like, even, I mean, we could bring it into yoga a little bit where like, even some of these yoga practices can potentially quarantine these thoughts, like, move so much energy or stimulate so much of a kundalini awakening that like the body can even withstand this energy or like, the life falls apart, because it needs to be able to, like hold this new energy and like resonate with it. So I think that's something that happens with medicine. Also, it's like, you get blasted into this deep awareness, but your life is so like, not in alignment really, with what you're, you're perceiving now, or like where you are mentally that it can be very overwhelming and like, depressing. So that's why I love gentleness. And even in my yoga practices, and all the things they do, I think there's this line of like, not overwhelming ourselves, but that can really make experiences like nourishing and, like, just a gentle expansion. Where Yeah, too much too quick of anything, you know, can always just like, not be the best.

Todd McLaughlin: 46:19

Yeah, yeah. Understood. Good answer. You made mention that you're reading the book, when things fall apart by Pema children for a second time. Can you share insights you may you've received from reading her work?

Shri Metsi: 46:36

Yeah, so there's just one line that keeps going on in my head. It's like, you know, and I might not be saying exactly the words, but like, you know, when there's just something really intense that happens in life or to us or around us, that that's not even the most interesting thing. It's what happens next. That's what's most interesting. And I just love that because it takes it away from like the happening, and into our relation to that happening and like our relation to ourself throughout these happenings. So I think as like, a yoga practitioner, and all the things I've learned and felt and I think are helpful, it really creates just like this very compassionate stage of like, how are we going to respond to this? And not so much like, what is going on? But what is the response going to be? And how can it be like, out of a place of, of just like love and wisdom, and even if I don't want to choose that, but like being interested in what my response is going to be?

Todd McLaughlin: 47:41

That is cool. Thinking about like, Okay, well, what's coming next is what's going to actually make what just happened may be more sensible. Mm hmm. Nice. Yeah, it's cool. I gotta read that one. I have that one. I started it. I didn't finish it. But recently, I was going through a major pain scenario. And I was like, Oh, I was like, Wait, that's right. I have a book upstairs. When things fall apart. Maybe. I'm googling, like, what are the best books for when you have pain that you think you know, you're not going to survive? You know, that type of thing? Oh, my gosh.

Shri Metsi: 48:17

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's and I just love books that are just like, the pain is real. But here are some ways we can like perceive it, you know, when like, and feel it. I think it's just so beautiful to like, step into not just disassociating out of life.

Todd McLaughlin: 48:35

Yeah. Yeah, good point. That word, disassociate, disassociation. Like, I remember, as a kid, my parents were like, Todd, stop. disassociating. And I, at that point, was feeling like, but this is how I'm coping. And for me, it was like, and, and for me, I feel like it was a way of almost meditating, and dealing and learn and like actually, being able to get through whatever I was going through. So it's funny, like, sometimes this associated sounds like it's a negative thing. But I swear it saved my life. You know what I mean? So yeah, it's interesting. But I do want to strive in the direction of not dissociating, you know what I mean? Like,

Shri Metsi: 49:26

yeah, or even being conscious of when we are like, that can be cool. You know, and like, just leaving it as that and building that awareness. And, like, I love how you said it saved your life. I really do think it's the body's like method of helping us Yeah, until until we can like yeah, look at things Yeah,

Todd McLaughlin: 49:44

process it. We're, what are you up to these days with your art?

Shri Metsi: 49:51

Um, I am really loving, making just very interesting looking people, not even people I don't know They're just some being. And I'm putting together art show for the fall. I haven't, like presented my art in some time. So I'm excited to, to do that and making some art based off of just a lot of the things I've been feeling into these past few months, or maybe like year really, I think I've just been processing so much that this is like a nice way to, to make some art out of that.

Todd McLaughlin: 50:25

That's really cool. You know, right when you say that, I'm just i. So for everyone listening, obviously, you can't see what's happening on the YouTube but I have a picture that Shruti painted recently. And I saw it on Instagram. Follow her at Shree dot alchemy. And can I read what you wrote here? Do you mind? Yeah, go for it. This is your this is your writing. This is not from someone else. Yeah. What if I told you it's okay to be afraid of loneliness of dying, ageing, vulnerability, failure, heartbreak? What if you believed it's okay, and accepted your humaneness tenderly and fully? What if you dance through your fears compassionately and gracefully? And on the other side, your heart throbs and freedom, not because you want anything but because you lived. Because over and over again, you chose living. Because after heartbreak, you open your heart again, to love is to live with your fears, worries and anxieties. And to keep choosing feeling loving experiencing this god given life. Whoo, I like that. That's good. Thank you. Yeah. Awesome. And then that picture that you painted, which you said it looks I don't know. Is it like Picasso? Wish? Almost like, interesting. Body? In me? Yeah. That's cool. So what medium are you? What medium are you using? Is that watercolor?

Shri Metsi: 51:59

watercolor? Yeah, watercolor and ink for like the black. That's kind of my vibe. Like, very light colors. And then like, dark ink.

Todd McLaughlin: 52:08

Have you? Have you always been painting? Have you been doing this? Since you were young?

Shri Metsi: 52:12

Yeah, since I've been as long as I can remember. It's always been a big thing for me making art and painting specifically in drawing. And yeah, I like when you were actually speaking about like this associated were younger and like saving your life like, my like disassociating from life and painting for hours totally saved my life. Like growing up.

Todd McLaughlin: 52:35

Yeah. Yeah. My daughter was watching a show, I think it's called Raising Hope. And it's kind of comedic. And there was a scene where this boy when he was like, age two, because the parents had to work, they tied them to the couch, basically, and left him there, which is like, pretty horrific, right. And there was a picture of a deer on the wall. And it shows the camera go to the deer. And then it shows him now in his current age. And he's like, I remember staring at that deer and thinking that that deer also was tied to the wall by its parents why it was off working. And I was like, Whoa, that's so heavy. Because there is that element of like, I don't know, how do you explain that? Like, what what we're talking I mean, I'm trying to explain it. But we're you have to like, but through our that makes perfect sense that you were able to almost like go into a whole nother world. In short, yeah. Which has to be quite revealing to look out what you came up with artistically. Do you ever go back and look at that? Do you have that anymore? Because you also

Shri Metsi: 53:47

have all of it. There's some there's some dark stuff. And I'm I'm happy that yeah, younger me got to like, very shamelessly put all that out there. And I was so shameless about it. I was like, Look at my pain world. And like and it was beautiful also, so I'm like, Look at my beautiful pain world.

Todd McLaughlin: 54:08

Yeah, that's cool. Have you gotten together? Have you gotten it together to the point to put together like a show and actually display your art in that level? Or is it more just like a one piece at a time and give it to somebody? Hold on to it? What what phase are you at in terms of like professionalizing your art? Your artistic abilities? Yeah,

Shri Metsi: 54:28

yeah. So um, I am gonna put I did put show I went okay, so I guess I'll start here. I have a bachelor's in fine art. So I have to like really go and do all the shows and do all the things in school. And then I taught painting classes I had like my own like traveling, paint party business for maybe like three years and I did super well with that. And I got to teach so many people it was great. Um, so that's kind of where that went. And then I was going to school to be art teacher, and then COVID happen and I totally was just like, um, Have you sent out of this after graduated, like, I'm just kind of going to travel for a bit, I did some traveling. And until recently, I was like, I kind of want to see if I can be like an art professor at some point and go back to school for my masters. But really, like, it's been so nice to actually step away from like, you know, being on my grade, like graded on my work and like, the kind of the pressure that came from art school and to just do it more in like a poetic expressive way. But knowing that I like want to share this, so yeah, just like want to make some cute and I love throwing events. So just kind of making an event out of my art and showing it that way.

Todd McLaughlin: 55:43

Cool. That sounds. Sounds that sounds like a good way to do it. Yeah, yeah.

Shri Metsi: 55:50

I don't want to live off my paintings.

Todd McLaughlin: 55:53

Yeah, isn't that amazing? When you I remember, I read an article in the Yoga Journal magazine before I became a yoga teacher. But I was really enthralled with yoga. And the article went along the lines of like people that fell in love with yoga, did a yoga teacher training, didn't like teaching and stopped practicing yoga, almost like, they love something and then we turn it professional. And then the love that we have for it gets lost because of the things that come with professionalization. So I would imagine that could be very true with artwork, big time, like, you know, pressure. And I guess everything is art on that level. But But that's, yeah. For sure. You hear that with like, musicians like, alright, we need three albums out of you. And like three weeks, you know, and you're like, I can't create like that.

Shri Metsi: 56:41

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would go like nights, like weeks without sleeping. And like, I would just be so into, like, producing that I wouldn't even like eat. Yeah, you know, like, it was just unhealthy. And then I created like, this resentment almost towards creating art, like, Oh, when I go into it, I am not like, I can't take care of myself well, or whatever. So even like changing those stories around and on all that has been part of the process of starting to paint again.

Todd McLaughlin: 57:10

Cool. What do you feel the future holds? Like? I don't know. Do you ever get that feeling? Sometimes you're like, wow, who knows what's going to happen here? Are you? How are you preparing for the future?

Shri Metsi: 57:24

Oh, man, I so that's where I'm at right now. Like, this part of me is just like, maybe I can just like travel the world. And then like, what I actually love building community and being in one place and like, so yeah. And I'm, like, so young, and don't have kids and all this. So I mean, I am really at this point where there's so many options, and I'm really just feeling into like, what, yeah, what feels good right now, you know, and not get too lost in the future. Because that can just be overwhelming, you know? Yeah, but what I'm doing to prepare is just like, keep building community and just keep connecting with my practices. So that like, you know, while I'm offering these things, it doesn't turn into this whole, like, I'm just doing this for money and for work and like being at a point where like, I'm stressing out if, for something that I love doing, I'm stressing out if it's going to be like just stressing out a period over something that I love doing. So just building like healthy relationship with all the things that I love, to keep sharing and to like, keep doing what I'm doing is a big part of it. I think

Todd McLaughlin: 58:34

Cool. Great answer. If you Okay, Shree, here's 20 grand and you got to go travel. Where's your first stop?

Shri Metsi: 58:46

So definitely hitting the Amazon, I would love to go to Peru and Brazil, and I've never actually met the combo frog. So that is a big, like yearning in my heart to like, sit with the tribes and actually be like, on the land of the medicine for some time. And I sing and like perform songs. So I would love to like, connect to like their music there too.

Todd McLaughlin: 59:09

Yeah. Amazing. Very cool. Whoo. Then where are my money you're not gonna need that much money. We're not kidding

Shri Metsi: 59:30

I would also love to go just all throughout Central America. My mom's from El Salvador. So I spend a lot of time there and I just spent a lot of time and what the mala I'd love it there too. So we're just spend some more time there like Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras and just connect to to all that land there and for some time,

Todd McLaughlin: 59:50

very cool. Whenever I hear about people driving from California, all the way down to South America, that just seems is like such an incredible adventure. I know there's a section that you can't get through, right? What country is that in? Where it's like no man's land like you can't get a car all the way through? Or can you drive all the way down now? I'm not sure. I think there's a section. I think there's a section somewhere along there and Central America. Yeah. After double check on that. I'll research that one for our next conversation, because I can't believe it. But we're already coming up, but up and around about an hour on that No, Shree, what did I miss? I wanted to try to pull as much out of you as I could and cover a lot of bases. What else can I you tell me about to get to know you? So it's our first time getting to meet each other. And I really appreciate your enthusiasm, and just openness and willingness to chat about what you're up to? Is there anything else that you can think of that you want to share?

Shri Metsi: 1:00:51

Um, want to say thank you. Yeah, I am so excited to chat. And I love what you do. I think it's so beautiful to hear people's stories and perspectives. And yeah, it's been so fun to speak about all the things I love, trying to think if there's anything else. Like, I know, I mentioned my passion around like woman's work and listening to our rhythms and our connection to the moon and all our different like phases and supporting the different phases. I think other than that, we pretty much got it all covered.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:01:25

Cool. And if we want to find you, we can either go to Instagram, Shree dot alchemy, and your website is remind me again, I'm going to write it down. So one can just click it at the bottom. Can you just say it out loud?

Shri Metsi: 1:01:37

Yeah. It's Mitzi botanics.com. Cool.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:01:41

And you have any events? If someone's listening that's in New York, and I think this will be like maybe three weeks from this actual moment? Is there anything a place that people can meet you and or come practice with you in person?

Shri Metsi: 1:01:57

Yeah, so I'm teaching about like six classes a week upstate New York. And one of the studios whole sky yoga. It's all hybrid. So you can practice with me virtually there too. And I'm going to have a yin yoga teacher training in what Amala on the 28th they got the plan? Yeah.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:02:17

28th 28th of October, October. Nice. In Guatemala. Whoo.

Shri Metsi: 1:02:25

Yeah, it's such a lovely place. I'm so excited about it.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:02:29

Wow. I've always wanted to go I've heard amazing things about it. Maybe you can come do some fun. Is it on that really famous Lake? Is it are you is it on the seventh? Yeah. What does it lay called again?

Shri Metsi: 1:02:44

Yeah, that my friend. It's called Lake out these lawn. That's right. And my friend from Daya yoga, she has two studios in Brooklyn. She also has a property there on the lake and it's very like connected to the families and like the indigenous people there and supports them and it really it's like family so it's a really great environment and it feels good to host something they're very cool.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:03:08

And that's um that is there's accommodation everything there like on that property. People just go stay there. You someone cooks there's food, everything. Yeah, yeah.

Shri Metsi: 1:03:20

Oh, yeah. Me and my good friend, Liza Leonard are going to be doing it together. And she's spent a lot of time there also, so

Todd McLaughlin: 1:03:28

awesome. Well, that sounds cool. I appreciate you filling us in on those details. What next today? Before we when we get off the phone here? What what do you got next?

Shri Metsi: 1:03:40

Today, I'm going to your little coffee shop around here and get to make some flyers for some events and send some emails and prepare for the retreat I'm holding next weekend and get some bins to keep moving my stuff.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:03:58

Oh, yeah. Nomadic, right. We just got to be able to move keep it light. Keep it light.

Shri Metsi: 1:04:03

Yeah, it feels so good to just shut a load.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:04:06

Oh my gosh, I recently started collecting Vinyl again. And now I'm like, if I have to move I'm gonna be so mad at myself.

Shri Metsi: 1:04:17

Oh, I hope you have a nice route you are now.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:04:22

Thank you. It's really great for you. I really appreciate meeting you and I will be in touch with you here very, very soon.

Shri Metsi: 1:04:30

Awesome. Thank you so much. Such a pleasure to chat. Thank you.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:04:39

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