Jesse Gold - Balance in the Flow of Yoga, Surfing and Pranayama

Jesse Gold is a local yoga teacher in Juno Beach, Florida. He has a passion for surfing and incorporates his love for the ocean into his yoga practice.

In this episode, Todd McLaughlin interviews Jesse Gold, a local yoga teacher in Juno Beach, Florida. They discuss Jesse's travels to Morocco and Costa Rica, his experience with teacher training, his love for surfing, and his exploration of pranayama and breathwork.

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Keys to this conversation:

• Jesse sees surfing and yoga as two different expressions of the same thing, both allowing him to connect with his body and the present moment.
• He believes that letting go of the need to compete and comparing oneself to others is essential in both surfing and yoga.
• Jesse finds pranayama and breathwork to be a game changer in his daily routine, helping him feel more connected to his body and grounded.

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Transcript

Todd McLaughlin: 0:33

Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast. So happy you are here. My goal with this channel is to bring inspirational speakers to the mic in the field of yoga, massage bodywork and beyond. Follow us @nativeyoga, and check us out at nativeyogacenter.com. All right, let's begin Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast. Jesse gold! Jesse Gold is a local yoga teacher here in Jupiter, Juno, Florida. He teaches a class every Saturday morning here at 8am. It currently is offered just in studio. But if after listening to this podcast, you feel like you want to take one of our live streams with him, shoot me a message. And I'll set the live stream up for you so you can join in and practice with him. I've had a chance to get to know Jesse over the years, and it's just a really great guy. And I'm so happy that he's here, sharing some yoga with our local community. Go ahead and follow him on Instagram. It's at the letter @J_man_moves. And so yes, please send us a message. Give us a little idea about what you think of this podcast. So excited to have this chance to catch up with Jesse. We talk about his travels around Morocco. Also down in Costa Rica. Some of his teacher training that he's done, we speak about some of his life philosophy, the way he approaches being out in the ocean and the surf. Also his love for pranayama, for asana practice and for challenging himself physically. And I think you're gonna really enjoy this episode. All right, let's begin. So happy to have this opportunity to speak with Jesse Gold. And Jesse, thank you so much for joining me. Can you tell me how your day has been so far?

Jesse Gold: 2:39

The day has been fantastic. Only because, you know, snores you just wake up and you're just not feeling it. You know, some days you'd be here you feel like you're human again. Like I like what it like, I just don't I'm not right, I have had my coffee. Whatever it is, I got the sunlight and went through my routine. But you know, I think just following through with the the routine in of itself kind of gave me that grounding. I don't think it was so much like, oh, the workout did it or like it was just actually falling through. And they Oh, I did it in spite of adversity like that mental block feeling like that was I still did it feel good as as a result of that?

Todd McLaughlin: 3:26

That's so cool. Yeah, that's a really good insight, because I'm sure all of us have this. Like, I don't think that anybody gets away from the experience of where you wake up and you're just like, Man, I'm not excited about what I'm about ready to do, or I just can't seem to get my mojo going. And you're right, every now and again. There's those days where you just go home, I feel so good. I wake up I feel in a great mood. I can't wait to tackle everything. Do you find that it is completely random? Or it sounds to me like you you have systems in place to kind of set yourself up for success to some degree or another what what are your thoughts on this?

Jesse Gold: 4:11

Yeah, as far as having the systems in place to help us tremendously. What kind of alluding to that definitely have systems in place. Definitely. Not somebody to be like in the biohacking realm not obsessing about, you know, having the perfect thing that you know, I wake up and I can get out to the beach and I'm only half mile from the beach. I can unfortunately sit down to the sunrise. I can drink my beer but matterr My coffee and and meditate for a few minutes. It's you know, I'm pretty happy and get a workout in appstore yoga.

Todd McLaughlin: 4:50

That's cool, man. And so everybody listening you can know Jesse teaches a yoga class here on Saturday mornings at 8am And I've had the pleasure of getting to know you, Jesse for years now. I don't even I can't give you a number. Do you remember how old were you when you first came to practice here?

Jesse Gold: 5:12

Yeah, that's funny. I think maybe like 14 or 15. I think

Todd McLaughlin: 5:18

it was a while. It's been a while I remember you, you came with your brother and I got a chance to work with both you guys. And it was such a great opportunity. Because as an Ashtanga Yoga teacher, often, I'm always hoping someone will be excited to move, move around and be challenged by yoga practice. And so we'll both when you and your brother showed up. I was like, oh, man, this is so cool to have some young guys that are like excited about yoga. Do you mind sharing your age now? So how old are you now?

Jesse Gold: 5:52

Yeah, so 27 Now

Todd McLaughlin: 5:54

27. So we're talking 1013 years ago? That's cool, man. Well, I'm so happy to have this chance to keep building our friendship and together over these years. Yeah, man. Yeah, no, that's cool. So I can you tell me a little bit what you were talking right before we started about your experience surfing recently, because I thought it was a really good point that you made about being on the board you're on.

Jesse Gold: 6:25

Yeah, so being a surfer, you learn to surf on on these weights, or eight foot phony boards and cones are 10 foot. So it's a bigger board. And there's a lot of surface area you get to learn. It's made out of foam. So you know, hit your head, yeah. You're not going to get hurt that bad, you'll get a little mock in the head or whatever. But you know, so the point being, you learn on it. And then when you get so you advance your skill set. And on a bigger day, you take that thing out, you might look like a goofball. But in this case, and so last week, we had some swell here in in Jupiter. And so I was like, you know, when other board staff, I, this is all I have, right now. Whatever, I'm gonna take it out, just swallow the pride, whatever. And it was just a moment of realization. Like, I get to be out here. And now like, Why No, you're so silly to think like, oh, I need to be on, you know, the, the Kelly Slater. Of shortboard we need to rip the hardest for everybody cuz like they gotta show them. And just really getting to know myself like in my tendency, like, oh, there's some definite, like, not just competition, healthy competition versus like, some, some fires NIGO some sort of like I wouldn't mind getting into, right? Why is this coming up? I will tend to like, I really hope that dude cuts me off. And I don't like the way he looks at shirts. Like, where did the Where did that come from? Where did that come from? Yeah. But that's just happened to be out on that board that it was upon that realization?

Todd McLaughlin: 8:08

Yeah, that's a really good one. I think that comes with a little bit of a little bit of time to like maturity, don't you think? Because that's it's hard to have that sort of mind frame back when you're 14 1516? Because it seems so much about that like trying to establish oneself in the pecking order, you know, and if you do one thing that doesn't look cool, that's gonna set you back down to the bottom rung. And then we get a little older and we go, I just don't even care.

Jesse Gold: 8:40

Yeah, yeah. Because what are because what are we all doing out there? All out, trying to experience like a wonder of the world like, a wonder of nature. True phenomenon. And we're getting to spend time in the water. very healthy, very zen, like, It embodies what a yoga practice could feel like. It's just this whole beautiful thing, right? And different people, different folks, different strokes, but some people out there for competition, people, you know, but we're all out there for the same essence with the same thing. And so it's beautiful to be able to share the water with so many different kinds of people and just show up as as a light. So that if people are having a weird day, or if I have this idea of what somebody's thinking or draw a story about what the who they are, even though I've never talked to them a second of my life. Most times I'm drawing up a negative assumption and talking them there's like, Hey, what's up, man? All the the negativity evaporates. Like, wow, that was so silly of me to even assume. Yeah,

Todd McLaughlin: 9:45

good point. Good point. While we're on this topic, I'm curious what are how has yoga blended with your surf life? What sort of stuff similarities and parallels Have you drawn over the years?

Jesse Gold: 10:06

Yeah. Surfing and yoga, kind of see that. They're like two different expressions of the same thing for me. Like when I'm on my mat, I feel like my surfboard is my mat on the water. And instead of going through postures, instead of going through poses trying or Asana, trying to, you know, get into alignment on my, my mat on my board, I'm just trying to, you know, feel each paddle start really just trying to make it a moving meditation, I'm really trying to feel oh, like my paddle and kind of efficiently. How does I feel my shoulders, my, you know, the posterior pelvic tilt, you know, my keeping a neutral pelvis? And essentially, am I? How in tune with my body? Can I get no mind body connection? And then integrating the breath, how well can I breathe out, you know, so I can increase my efficiency on the water thing get spot. And then there's a whole thing just wondering the one thing I think I learned a lot about that in the subtlety of surfing through like a physical Asana yoga practice. Because then, you know, starting out, it would be like 16 or 17. And just fall on into CrossFit and Milan into like, the, you know, had made as a wall, metal music, the whole shebang. And be like, just the physical part of it. I just want to get super strong, I just want to do all the handstands. But then it got more subtle as the years gone on and came back through injury and this and that. It just realized how subtle of a practice it really is. And now realizing how subtle it gets. Just as a go on real isn't actually don't know really anything about it. That's a really cool and humbling perspective. So to tie that in with the surfing, I feel like surfing part in the yoga part. Two expressions, two different expressions in the same thing. It's what I'm starting to see. That's

Todd McLaughlin: 12:15

nice. That's cool. Man. Can you tell me a little bit about your experience with teacher training that you got to partake in Costa Rica? I think it was last year, I believe, is that right?

Jesse Gold: 12:29

Last year, in June, June of 2022, I, it was incredible. It was learning a lot of the things that I sort of already knew and restated in a way that was very digestible, and like, oh, yeah, that. So a lot of the material was were things that I already kind of knew or understood, intellectually, or I just embodied in my own practice, but man, it was in Costa Rica, spend a month down there, practicing more or less every day, like three days in man, the live off topic, but I got I got sick, super sick, and, and that, you know, some other people got sick as a result of that. But the whole thing, like the sickness actually brought everybody together a little bit more is very cool, man. And some of my best friends in my life are from that teacher training. And, and I was actually gonna need to go and take that teacher training, it kind of just came into my life. And in that dynamic, I had no intention of signing up for this teach train, do this. And here we are. And now everything unfolding in life now is extension of that teacher training. It was incredible.

Todd McLaughlin: 13:50

That's cool. Yeah, that's awesome. That's so cool. That's so cool to hear. What part of Costa Rica was it in?

Jesse Gold: 13:57

It was just up a taco maybe about 20 minutes. And then so by hermosa and then up into the mountains. So very quick, look out through the jungle and see the ocean parts in your yard a little bit out. Two cans outside the hotel. Yeah. Bananas in the morning.

Todd McLaughlin: 14:18

Nice. Very peaceful. Yeah, that's cool. It's so it is a beautiful country, isn't it? And then I want to hear I want to hear I know you got a chance to go to Morocco a while back ago. Can you tell me a little bit about what your experience was like in Morocco?

Jesse Gold: 14:36

Yeah, Morocco was actually I had a friend who recommended that while he said he's going and you know, if I wanted to come with, you know, tag on I'm like thinking about it. I think it was 2019 I was just getting back from a long road trip. I was college and like you Yeah, I guess this is what I'm doing now, from going to Morocco, so I worked a little bit and there's some money together and we lost in very early, early January 2020. We got to Morocco, we did a work trade. Essentially, bartenders attended and ran the breakfast and exchanged for free, really bored, free food, breakfast, lunch and dinner. The exchange rate, they're positive and they wouldn't quote this, but a halogen was released 10 to one it was a lot. It was really nice for an American they go to Morocco and walking outside getting fresh loaves of bread every morning. So basically surviving off of bread and whatever vegetables you find the medina bartering was super fun. Very overstimulating. Couple of interesting encounters definitely learned not to, you know, have a public outburst get angry at somebody in a in a foreign country, because, you know, they'll try to kill you. And they're there things like that, but most of them, look, it's so nice.

Todd McLaughlin: 16:18

That's cool. Do you mean like a public outburst in the sense that like if somebody says, you know, the price says it's this and they tell you, it's double? And you say, But wait a minute, says this over here? And is that what you mean? Or like, was it? What type of when you say outbursts? I'm just curious, like an example of what an outburst would have been like.

Jesse Gold: 16:41

I'll give you a quick story. It was a we had been there and I'm here to give you a little bit of context, we my buddy and I were walking around the medina which is basically it looks like a lot of people you know, everything is just pastel colored. And there's market little hole in the wall, kind of pop up shops and rugs and smell of argan oil and, and motor oil. And they don't really restrict those restrictions are very tight on on emissions for those motorcycles. So people riding through the streets are really close quarters anywho we've been there for like three weeks, I was getting a little sick of it. And I'm just like, I'm not in a good headspace. I'm just out here to get food going back. Yeah. And so this guy, the people around the Medina, they're these these people that sell hashish and so they'll go around, and they'll actually associates and that, you know, usually that doesn't bother. I wouldn't care less. But in that instance, you know, I'm gonna tell this dude, what's up? Like, I'm like, you've got right in my face. Usually even that I'm peaceful. They don't care. But I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, she's like, showing him like, oh, yeah, clearly, he's interested in you got all excited. And I just looked at him, like, you know, what, even you know, just just, you know, go with up and and they just pull out of my home. So he's like, What do you just the whole thing what? Buddy ran out there, like atmosphere gonna jump me and I was like, oh, okay, like in the middle of a crowded street. And so I realized that the moment I should probably watch what I say, yeah. So, you know, I kind of had just backed up and, yeah, get a situation. Everything ends up being fun, but a very, very quickly, you know, when you're in a different country, you don't speak the language? Maybe not. You know, bite your tongue.

Todd McLaughlin: 18:51

Don't Don't instigate.

Jesse Gold: 18:54

Now, no, I gain and learn the lesson without much consequence thing. Thank goodness. But yeah,

Todd McLaughlin: 19:03

I hear numbers. Yeah, that's a good story. I hear you, Jesse. Good example. That makes perfect sense. I know sometimes I remember. But, you know, like, you're, you'll be in a place where, you know, obviously, someone who's hogging the goods or the wares is really hungry for making a sale. And, you know, you're wearing sunglasses and you're holding a lighter and they come up and want to sell you sunglasses and a lighter, you know, and you're just like, but but I don't need it, like, Um, okay. Or something like that. You know, it's, it can be intense, right? When people really are like, trying to sell you something, you know, it can get intense, they just really just don't stop

Jesse Gold: 19:42

it. It's, it's like you really get to learn what your communication skills are about, like, how up to par you are, and how assertive you can be standing your ground and not being too aggressive with accent like you're gonna learn in a country like Morocco. are different places. Listen, anecdotally speaking, I don't want to apply to every place via here in America, Miami. Correct. But um, people just have to learn how to say no. But in a way where they get the message, you feel good about what you said, and everybody goes on their day. And don't get the wrong. Yeah, great point getting your point across for sure.

Todd McLaughlin: 20:23

Did you get a chance to practice yoga in Morocco? Was it something that you were able to do self practice? Or did you venture into any sort of yoga shallows in Morocco? And what what is the yoga scene like in Morocco? And is there a yoga scene in Morocco that you found?

Jesse Gold: 20:39

Yeah, definitely. There were. There was one Shala. And I can't remember the name offhand off to look it up. But the Shala was in the heart of Marrakech, that was the city the city were saying is Marrakech. Beautiful city. And it was in the heart of the city. So yeah, I went one day and just stumbled upon it and like I need refuge I need to find something away from the stimulus. And so I walked in. And it was like this open air courtyard. There was a kind of treat it was beautiful, ringing kind of bushy tree in the middle. And as well manicured kind of reminded me of like Zen. A Buddhist temple. It had that sort of air to it. I mean, it was very well manicured. You know, there was almost like a Zen Garden. Like, the sandbar was a break. It is breaking the fan. Yeah, that's interesting. And so there was I like to kind of shaded outdoor class, because it was hot Morocco. But people were there doing a meditation class, walking in. Beautiful. And so they had a couple of Ashtanga classes going on. Funny enough, and taking the class. And it was just such a relief, because, you know, almost halfway around the world was doing something where I felt so at home. I felt so like, what a sigh of relief because that backpacking trip will start to get a little overwhelming and repetitive, redundant. What am I doing here? The existential questions come up. It's not a vacation. It feels like the opposite vacation, you're thinking about every little detail. It's very nice to have that grounding. And people that are like hey, not only can you slow down, stay as long as you want. We have tea over there. You know, it's about the community it's not like hey, get in get out kind of thing back in the street you go it was just beautiful to have have that there were not too many showers or studios in the city that I found but I know that on the coast when I took the bus over to Tiger zoo, really well renowned surfspots They all know hospitals, almost all of them seem to have it's like synonymous like surf and yoga. Like surfing yoga, almost all of them and so people are teaching classes each a lot of Europeans and foreigners coming in. So that a big audience already kind of like because the name of it but just a lot of open minded folks coming through. Yoga is very synonymous with that crew and it was just beautiful. A lot of heart. A lot of Yeah, some incredible little spaces. On the rooftops there's like you get a view of the way it's while you're practicing and you're just like I to insert I'm trying to stay present but I can't wait to surfaces are done sketching because that was awesome.

Todd McLaughlin: 23:44

Man, his right hand point breaks and the headlands in Morocco looks so otherworldly. You know that Real Red Rock kind of moonscape arc, you know, I land landscape, and then these long right hand waves. I mean, it looks so beautiful. It looks absolutely amazing.

Jesse Gold: 24:06

They have one of the best besides the brain con in California. This had to be the best right hand point break I've ever served. And I was blown away. Like this is it was fast. It was a fast way. Yeah. It broke in at once. But it was forever. Like you're kind of just there sections. And you could kind of hop on like the next section if that makes sense. Yeah. You had a few turns in you're like start burning any other paddle around and back around back around the jetty and you know, kind of start over. But what a place. It was super good. The surf culture was ridiculous, like in a really beautiful way. Everybody was just hanging around arms around each other. Very, very connected in that way. There's like the human Touch element of it and the way people communicated and just how open everybody was like strangers. A lot of them are travelers, right? Yeah, kind of transient place. But you know, there was Billabong surfer guy there. It was very cool. Like, this is wow, it's gonna take this and watch these guys are in the water. They're like, wow,

Todd McLaughlin: 25:28

it looks amazing. You know I'm I'm curious to see then you come back to Florida and Florida is a really unique place to be in the ocean in relation to being a surfer because we have long flat spells. And we have you know, it's it's rarely all that great. What have you found in just navigating the whole mind stream that comes with? Like, personally when I moved back from Australia and I moved back here I just I just didn't feel like I even wanted to go surfing because I had gotten so spoiled and and I know that's a horrible you know, way to be but sometimes when you have a taste of perfection like that, and then you feel like you're back in your local break groveling for a little one to two foot slop. You know, you just get disillusioned. Have you have you experienced that? Or? Or what are your thoughts around that?

Jesse Gold: 26:32

Yeah. Yeah, very much the case. Took the words right out of my head. But when I first moved to Colorado, in after that trip after the Morocco trip 20 there, yeah, that feeling came up with like, Oh, I'm here. What what do we even do like, I mean, I know you hike and ski and the whole four seasons. And I'm all with it. But surfing just has placed in my in my heart and life deeply. There's river surfing there. And so you get kind of this rounded off really high density, really high volume board, almost like a paddle board shorter, like six and a half feet. But really fun. You jump on kind of hop on the wave and you get some curves. And then there's a little line and then people go and so there was there is that doesn't quite scratch the edge because I'll get back to well actually, when I get back to Florida, I'd actually look forward to as it was like the reversal you just said like I'm actually glad I have salt water my skin waters warm. And there's waves really get lucky and just come back at the right time. But coming back from California surfing in Santa Cruz, and getting one of their best swells. Seems like years, most people are saying in the water. And then flying back to it Florida next week. Dude, what do I even do? Like what a dive to the gym now like I just want to all I want to do, sir. What do I do here? And that's when the paddleboard and came back in was like, I guess you know, flat, whatever. But it's hard to scratch that itch when you have a good break like that. I mean, life is good. Yeah, got like, good figured out, you got a good break in your backyard.

Todd McLaughlin: 28:33

I hear you Jesse. I mean, I also find to now like on Saturday, my son is really getting an Ethan's really getting into surfing and wants to be at the beach every spare second. And so he's like, I gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go. And I've just been working so much and haven't been going much. So I, I was like, alright, we're doing it. And I got a chance to go out at Civic Center here in Jupiter. And it was small as like shoulder high or whatever. But I didn't catch a bunch of waves because there's so many people out and it was like everyone's going for it, but just to be out in the water. And I think I had a similar experience to what you were talking about, about being on the soft top and, and being like, what am I doing on this thing, like, you know, but just and I just thought, you know, just it's about getting out in the water. Like just being in the water. Like it doesn't even really matter so much about you know what waves how many sighs I mean, but that's where I'm at my, you know, currently in my life, like I'm like, Dude, if I can just get out in the water. So I can agree with you. I have a similar sort of feeling like even if it's, there's nothing but just to like float in the ocean is to go out there. So on that note, I'm curious. What is your relationship with breath holding freediving and pranayama Where are you at these days with exploring, breathing yoga and say water experience of floating or sinking?

Jesse Gold: 29:59

Yeah, It's been a while since I've been doing any sort of freediving. I'd love to get out there. And one of the things with that it is a little bit of an excuse, but it's so much easier when you have a boat in town. Yeah, the Intracoastal you have a few local bridge spots when the waters nice and start one, it's great. But really getting deep practicing in that way in the ocean, there's nothing like it. It's been a while since I've done any sort of open water free diving. Love it. The pranayama breathing now has been kind of a replacement. And there's been almost every morning now I'd say four or five days would be all good as in beach right before sunrise and sit down and do a few different reading techniques, all their follow up video on YouTube from somebody I really respect and love and just a great great content, video. Great breathing exercise. And do that for about 30 minutes. I love how I feel. I love how well connected I am to my body. And how much control like I have after the session. Oh I'm so relaxed because I chose to be relaxed at sounds a little almost like yet, but it's just how how much I can smooth out the wrinkles in the my mind or the ripples in the water of the river mnemonic. He threw that out. And oh yeah, I can do that. And you can come back to that when when you when the date doesn't have to be a 30 minute session. Just be a few breaths but just being intentional and then using the breath as a vehicle to get back to that state. Just been an absolute game changer.

Todd McLaughlin: 31:51

Nice. What is your so would you mind sharing who you like to watch on YouTube to follow breathing technique or breathing? Breathing ratios or patterns?

Jesse Gold: 32:05

I'm gonna butcher his last name. Mikhail or Michael. This is first name Mikhail Mike gotten some avenues. And then B I think BIKJ Er I have to look it up.

Todd McLaughlin: 32:20

Yeah, if you if you look it up and send me the link when the show notes I'll put below so if anyone wants to check them out, but we can give him give him some props. If if you if you're enjoying them. I'm curious what, what what technique or style or what does that pronoun or practice sound look like?

Jesse Gold: 32:37

Yeah, the one I've been doing it's got four different breathing techniques. Starting off with a guided five minute meditations getting as still as possible. And then moving right into Costa Rica. Really getting into the pumps. I think Bahia pranayama comes after that long retention, exhale, all the way out holding all the back up. And then not he showed enough crossing, ultimate nostril breathing. And then a few different pairs like 5567 on nothing. Crazy. There's another there's another breath sequence. Practice that is the main but it is a great series like 30 minutes long. And I usually cut it short for the dynasty my own thing but medicine it's such a game changer as far as having something to get grounded in the morning. Yeah. Or in the evening. It charged up.

Todd McLaughlin: 33:46

Does it seem like to you that pranayama isn't very popular? Or do you do you feel like what what are your thoughts on that? Because I I feel like awesome classes are really popular. But maybe just here in Juneau or Jupiter, Florida. Pranayama You know how people haven't really caught the bug. Maybe as much as some other location in the world where everyone's like pronti Alma pranayama pranayama that's all I want to do. But what what have you found that?

Jesse Gold: 34:14

Yeah, I definitely noticed. Yeah, well, I mean, I think you could say the whole thing was like in the West yoga asana has taken it's been, you know, taken over by storm. I think in town too. I've noticed just a lot of studios that do focus primarily on the heated vinyasa. You know, even getting classes yin and yang. All sorts of different power classes even. I haven't yet I've yet to see just a traditional pranayama class is a breathing class, right? No, cool. No Kula Scott offers like a transformational breathing. It's been incredible. I actually tried it last night, it was a really beautiful experience. But but as far as like the traditional pranayama breathing go, it was more like, you know, call Adam over there, the more breathwork Park session, people meeting and property and sessions, and there was a lot of people getting certified breathwork certified. can't quite recall the person leading the certification process, but they would lead these breathwork sessions and park the workshops in it's really taken over out there. I would imagine another, you know, Boulder esque place around the country. That'd be the case. They could definitely benefit a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Like a whole other part of the practices, as you well know,

Todd McLaughlin: 35:59

a whole nother world. Right? It is pretty amazing. I know. I know,

Jesse Gold: 36:03

used to have the class too, right? I mean, I remember before

Todd McLaughlin: 36:07

we did, yeah, we would do the six podiums of the stronger style that learn from Tim and I kept going for for quite a while, but it was always something that even if I offered it say before the Mysore class, and I My intention was, you know, the thoughts, you know, people would maybe be coming in from Mysore and think like, Oh, that's cool. Let me let me try that out. But I feel like it's something that is just a little more challenging to get the Mojo going. Although, you know, when I'd hang out with my teacher, Tim out in California, there'd be lots of people showing up for premium. I wouldn't say lots, but you know, like, there'd be a good 10 to 12 Folks, you know, we're really curious about practicing every single day. So yeah, I was curious just what you've bumped, bumped into over, you know, traveling and over the years if you found it's taken off, but I'm guessing that you have read the book breath by James nester. I think we talked about that.

Jesse Gold: 37:07

Yeah, wasn't a gravel book.

Todd McLaughlin: 37:09

Such a good one, right.

Jesse Gold: 37:14

actually went to Barnes and Noble, I didn't even buy the book. I would just go there every day. And like, you know, spend 45 minutes, 40 minutes, I'll just pop and read a chapter. I was always looking for something else. But I always came back to me and like, Whatever, dude, I need to buy it and just read the whole freaking stuff over the course of like a week and a half. But every other day, every day. I'm like, oh, like chapter. And so this, the sciences is incredible. A lot of the book seems to be anecdotal. You know, a lot of it based on his personal experience as somebody as a scientist, learning about the breathing. Yeah. But nonetheless, what an incredibly well put together talk about if anything, just really, really inspiring this idea of how important given the significant fact to the breathing just for everybody. Yeah. Even for like in the context of a yoga traditional yoga asana practice, but just for everybody don't breathe. Agree all. Agree, I think could benefit every person on earth.

Todd McLaughlin: 38:22

I hear ya. I hear ya. What are you reading anything now currently, or recently that you think I need to or you recommend for us to read?

Jesse Gold: 38:34

It I think I'm reading a book that I got the bookshelf like five or six years ago. The journey home?

Todd McLaughlin: 38:40

The journey home? Yeah. Yeah, right. I remember your mom. I think your mom got that for you for president when she was here practicing. That's cool. So you're actually reading it now? Are you reading it now?

Jesse Gold: 38:52

Yeah, yeah, my like, Fourth Chapter. I know. Nice.

Todd McLaughlin: 38:56

That's interesting, isn't it? Did you I don't want to spoil anything for you. But if you've gotten to the part where he comes across that Rabid Dog No, no. Yeah. All right. I'm not gonna say.

Jesse Gold: 39:11

Actually, I did read a long time ago. I read it when I first first got it. Oh, cool. You're reading it now. And it's just a very visual experience very, like you kind of, let's say, metaphorically speaking, EagleEye in your new trail, and very novel, smells good. Everything. So you know, alive and flowers because but then you go back a second time, the third time. And it's different every time because you have like this baseline of understanding of where you already know where to step and smells like check that's kind of in the background now. And then you peel back more layers, like, oh, this kind of this moss that grows, knows is birds up there. I don't know how much elevation there is. And so it's been like that with the book. And a lot of books in general, is just like coming back to the first second or even third time and never really gave that a second thought. Like I read that book, I just need to rack up to emulate the number of books that I read so that I'll I'll be smarter no idea. But coming back to this book, it really grounds me within the context of just how valuable it is is turnover stones that you didn't even realize were there yet? Oh, like, you know, I didn't want a little golden nugget under that rock. And so coming back to the book, and just looking over different from, you know, from a much more mature Yeah.

Todd McLaughlin: 40:41

I hear you, Jesse. That's really amazing. I'm going to try to synthesize this idea and then ask you what you think. I recently had the pleasure of reading a book called the trauma of cast by thin Morty Soundararajan. So really interesting book just detailing the caste system in India. And then I started reading a new one called the covenant of water by last name for Gacy, Abraham for Gacy, it takes place in South India. And it starts in the 1900s. And it's slowly starting to weave in a little bit of the element of the caste system into the storyline. And so I'm like having this experience of like, I'm so glad I read that book, that first firt that book first, the trauma of cast before I went into this coven of water, because it gave me so much backstory about the history and the culture that I love that experience where it's almost like you read something that's related, but unrelated, and and then you just really can grasp of what you're what you're getting into. Because you've you've done a little bit of research or homework on it. Isn't that amazing? When that happens? I don't know if you've I'm sure. I'm sure everyone feels that way. I mean, it's got a Qantas, it's got to be a universal thing. But do you notice that as well?

Jesse Gold: 42:15

Yeah, it's like it is that idea of like, you really get in to something like a like a book like that. And there's just different, like different stuff coming up to you. Because there's so much going on. And within the world, as it as it is reality is such I, there's so much information, there's so much going on any single given moment. And so you're only going to be able to decipher and take in a certain amount of information at any given time. I feel like when you read a book like that, you get a perspective like, Oh, that's really like, wow, that's going on in the world right now, you know, as you're saying with this book and genocide, but you know, here I am planning it out, there's no wait. And so that it gives you a perspective, and then you come back to the book again, or read a book that gives you a different perspective on that same issue. Oh, that's a different angle from a different person that has a different perspective on the same issue and you're like, I know nothing. It's it's retching.

Todd McLaughlin: 43:24

It's so interesting. I, it's fascinating. One of the concepts I thought was just so cool about this is that the one thing Maurice and Rajan brought up was a new style of Buddhism, called na vi Yana Buddhism, which means the new vehicle and this idea that because of the Brahmanism, in the caste system, where you know, 2% are kind of held on the high and the rest are all kept down low. That or I don't know what the percentage is, but a small percent sitting up high and the other percent larger percent sitting down low, that Buddhism Buddha was a way for people that were maybe caste oppressed, to be able to connect with a song or a spiritual community, that where they weren't being held oppressed or repressed. And but he brought up this person on beg car, who I guess in 1936, wrote, a like a reinterpretation of Buddha's teachings, and even past I came across this idea yesterday that even something like like the ideas of karma and reincarnation, he didn't believe actually was a true teaching of Buddha because the premise of karma and reincarnation well if we don't look at karma, but we just look at reincarnation from the angle of whatever you do in this life, Jessie, you might be pay for that in the next life, be it good or be it bad, right? And that you're going to have a soul that will move over and then deal with those repercussions. And so I can see where that is a little bit harder to digest for some, you know, like, but the idea of karma in terms of instant karma, that seems to make a lot of sense, like, you know, you kick the brick, your toe hurts. It's like an immediate, like, action reaction. But I guess I just wanted to bring this up, because I found it fascinating. Just this whole re analyzation of the ideas of karma and reincarnation that we might have come across from yoga and thought, well, that sounds really cool. That's so interesting, but then to have someone flipped that on its head and be like, No, I reject the idea of karma and reincarnation. So I guess I just wanted to bring that up, because I was fascinated by this idea yesterday as I was reading, but I think like what you said in relation to these different ideas, and then like this feeling of like, I don't know, any what I thought I knew is now just like completely, not necessary or not maybe the the healthy way or helpful way for me to currently view my world and life. So I know that that's a huge thing to just throw out there. But I guess what are your thoughts on karma and reincarnation? Do you ever think about that? Do you have any thoughts about these concepts?

Jesse Gold: 46:24

Yeah, I think I've realized how much I really don't, I've been I've come to the realization that I'm okay with not knowing the entirety of what karma means. Because I get so many different perspective on what karma is, and people get, I was at least I see, like, overly dogmatic on their viewpoint about it. And so, given all that, I really haven't given it too much weight beyond, I don't want to fear doing something wrong or negative. Because of that being like there being negative consequence down the line. I just want to live the most peaceful life that I can get to kind of remove all the deadweight, I guess if I was gonna see karma as something right now. I see it as as kind of, I'm wearing a weighted vest. I'm trying to make my workout as hard as possible. And the karma and of itself being that way that can get you through, like you can get strong through a workout, right. But if you keep wearing it, you don't take it off. And you realize well as a service utility learn through the the challenges the karma you've had throughout your life, then you allow it to be like, Oh, that right? Like these identities? Sort of? Yeah,

Todd McLaughlin: 47:46

we put on that's a good Yeah, like that visual of, like you said, wearing a heavy, heavy vest for a purpose to build strength. But at some point, I could let that heavy vest go.

Jesse Gold: 47:59

Letting go. Yeah. Like no one wants to like, oh, when the transition when there's a different chapter of life that calls for a different and an expanded version of you. And so, you know, they didn't we invest isn't going to suit your next workout, because you're trying to be a marathon runners, you know, it doesn't serve the same kind of utility, so you're wearing nothing, but just look like a goofball on the track. Now, because you're doing CrossFit before and now you're trying to, you know, run 30 Miles like that just serves no purpose. Yeah, not gonna help you, it's actually gonna hold you back. And so letting go this, this whole metaphor for literal letting go up, so you can move on and change gears?

Todd McLaughlin: 48:39

Yeah, and when you agree, there's just no possible way to know if reincarnation is real or not if there's an afterlife or not, I mean, do you? Do you still kind of come to that conclusion? There's just no possible way to know so we could just let it go until we have the opportunity to figure it out.

Jesse Gold: 49:01

I like to believe there is. I like the idea of it. No, I find comfort in it. Yeah. I, I personally don't subscribe to the idea that there's there's nothing and there's a black hole and you know, whatever. Everything's just dark and black. And there's no meaning to anything. You know, because there's, there's an agnostic people. And I'm definitely there's a common theme that I get when I see people that like, live a certain way, like if they, if they take on a belief and it makes them a better person, even if they're, if it's like a fearful idea, and they're coming to a better person indirectly. I think it's the same thing as like people coming to a yoga practice because they want to get stronger physically. Eventually, they're going to realize, okay, my body's getting strong, but there's something else here. I'm not just coming to the practice of this anymore. There's something else here. Somebody like an agnostic person even. Maybe they don't believe that have higher powers and divinity within or however you want to say it. Eventually they get down the path of like, there's something else here. And it just gives rise to this idea that there's something beyond my body, physical vessel, like there's an energetic, subtle, energetic style. I think that's one of the things I have learned that the practice of yoga is from the asana practice and the breathing is there's definitely something else going on influencing this physical body. And in quantum physics, right, most of our body is that the space the most of the space between itself or the space between atoms 90% of it empty space. So why is it that we perceive that our hand is solid objects, and so we almost like the illusion of things being solid. And there's got to be some intimate intelligence going on, that I'm not able to understand through this brain. Want to pretend to do and but I just want to be, you know, if there's an afterlife, I also see it as like, you know, as humans, we see things as point A to point B. We're operating on a timeline. But what if you zoom out all sudden, this time this, this idea of time is irrelevant. And everything's happening at the same time, simultaneously? So what what am I afraid of when my body dies? And that goes for helps or nothing? Well, it's all happening. And so that idea gives me a bit of comfort. Because like, Yeah, makes sense. But empirically, to this crazy mind. I've gotten at it. It makes sense. Yeah. No, I'm okay. With that.

Todd McLaughlin: 51:52

Well said, that's cool. I appreciate you elaborating all that. It can be a challenging thing to talk, it can be a challenging thing to verbalize. Right. So I appreciate you very much. patiently explaining it, what you're thinking and feeling.

Jesse Gold: 52:11

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Let me define and kind of extrapolate and drive this whole human experience in life. Yeah, yeah. And it's just, you know, there's so much going on for people. How do you how do you really describe it? Yeah. It's almost like, more complex you want to make life, the more the harder it gets. But things don't have to be complicated, or the harder they ought to be. Why make something harder? When it's just not like meant to be hard in the first place? What is the why? Why do we make things hard? Why can it not be simple? I guess, simple doesn't mean it's not hard, but simple can be, you know, following the idea of nature and the path of least resistance to taking the river down the stream. And because that's the easiest way for watering down, why make it hard? Why that's surplus, there's a utility.

Todd McLaughlin: 53:11

I know, just keep coming back to that. Because I mean, remember when we were both really excited about David Goggins, and, you know, this concept that if for those of you that haven't read can't hurt me, it's definitely a great book. I mean, it's gotta read it. My opinion can't hurt me, David Goggins. And I guess there's this idea of make things harder, so that I can develop resilience that might indicate that I'm somehow either tougher than life, or stronger than the adversity that faces me or, you know, there's, so maybe that's the purpose of the friction, you know, because you're right. If if I'm a raindrop falling on a mountain top, and my destination is the ocean, I mean, I'm going, I'm going down the river, I mean, the flow, it's like, well, why should I try to hide over here and not just join the river and go all the way down to the bottom right. So I mean, but something about like wearing that weight jacket to get stronger as almost like, something inside of us feels like but I don't want to just go down the river. I want to prove that I'm, I don't know stronger than the river better than the river. Bigger than the river. You know what I mean? But I ultimately it seems so futile. In that analogy, analogy holds up in our in our investigation of why am I creating greater resistance than necessary?

Jesse Gold: 54:50

There's utility to have right like there's utility to it, but there's so many things going on my grandma.

Todd McLaughlin: 54:57

Tell me telling me to take me down one Have them home SAT. How long have we been on? Let me see how much time we have left. All right, we're getting close to that we're getting close to the end of our hour, I like to try to stick to some some. I knew you and I could go for we could go on, we could go on for days. I mean, we can even set up a 24 hour challenge, like, can you hang in with us for 24 hours and deal with? Do you deal with the friction of our minds trying to figure things out? But I do want to hear at least one of those little thoughts that popped up on I started going down that track.

Jesse Gold: 55:32

Yeah, totally. I think the idea of like that raindrop are heading down the mountain. This raindrop is like a person and a person is not going to carve out a cannon, but by itself is going to take a whole river, it's going to take a lot of time. And so in society, I feel like you could liken that to people not being able to do things on their own when they say, self made. What does that mean that that's just an ego concept. In my opinion, people come together as a community, like ants, when they're building a colony, people can also come together as a community and make really big things happen. It's going to take time. But eventually you can carve out that metaphorical river or carve out the medical mechanics for the water to eventually flow down. The raindrop in of itself is not going to do that. But it's going to take a whole whole rainstorm with a whole bunch of raindrops in terms of the snowpack that melts down. Get the idea. So it just takes it takes a team to make a change. But it often takes one single raindrop to start the process. It just has to accumulate you get there's got to be a tipping point, and raindrops. And

Todd McLaughlin: 56:48

good one, that people Yeah, yeah, that's yeah. When that one person or raindrop puts on the extra 20 pound vest, and generates a little bit of resistance. Or challenge, it might attract someone else or another raindrop to go. Yeah. That's interesting. Let me try that too. And you're right, then there's then you get this little Eddy or you get this little pool off to the side. Or, I know, it's funny too, because there's this idea when when, I don't know if I'm sure 100%, you felt this had to were in our evolution of say teenager to manhood, or adolescence into adulthood, where there's like, don't conform. Like, don't just do what everybody else is doing. Like, that's, that's just going with the herd. And paving a new path and our own is how we form our individuality and our like, our like, figure out where we are and who we are in the world. And it's funny, because as I get a little older, I'm like, I just like running with the herd and like, I'm okay, I'm okay. I'm okay. If you look at me and say, he's a conformist. You know, he's just doing what everybody else is doing. I don't know, there's, there's like this really cool balance between being with the herd but also standing outside of the pack and just being a loner, you know, and just being individual. I don't know, what do you? Where are you out? Saw that these days?

Jesse Gold: 58:27

Yeah, I think one can be an overcorrection to another, I think people tend to overreact when you're a teenager, right? And you get some sense of freedom and your hormones kick in and, you know, all of a sudden, you've grown into, like a man and you have muscle stronger, mentally you start this process of, you know, my brain is growing, and there's different synaptic connections and, you know, there's different things going on in my brain now. And now I'm becoming more intelligent as a result of that, and my perception the world is expanding. So as a result of that, I think that my way is the way maybe that's the case. But that leads to you know, this overcorrection of like, I don't like what the previous generation says, I want to do different just because I want one. And I think the attention changes as you get older. It changes from I want to show them to while I just want to find out for myself what really like what is my way and not what is my way when you set up 20 pounds of weight best just to prove a point on the mountaintop raindrop. Like, let me tap into this. This you call a god called Spirit. Krishna, whatever you call this this lifeforce within or out here. Tap into that in you'll find out what what way do you move in life? I think you just find that the act of surrendering to that It is not it's an act of surrender, because then it brings up this idea that, yeah, surrendering and just being like, cool, no, go lay in bed and wait for me to. Like, I'm gonna surrender to this inevitable thing that welling up inside of me this intuition of like how I live my life. And as a result, I think that's where the idea of dharma, then you live your dharma. And then you got to truly live with like, as that river flowing effortlessly download down towards whatever destination, who cares? And why this happened? No, just because one prove a point. Because we don't want to go the other way. Because everybody else does. Who cares? If you do or don't there's, they're labeled at the end of the day, almost not, is divided the people call division cares that any of that. So beyond that, if you can see it from that perspective. Yeah.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:00:57

Good answer. And that's cool. Well, you know, I'm really excited for this chance here, Jesse. Because, well, first of all, you know, you're teaching class here on Saturdays at 8am. And currently, these classes are being offered Justin studio, not live stream. But if somebody's listening, if you're listening to this podcast, and you want to take Jesse's class, send me a message. I'll set up his 8am to be a live stream. And you can join x, we have our cameras set up in the room, and you can hear Jesse, Jesse and practice with them. So if that's something you're interested in, let me know. And I'll set it out. And so but you know, I would like to why I really enjoyed the opportunity to always hear your thoughts, Jesse, and I knew this was gonna be fun. So I really do appreciate you taking time out of your day to, you know, just talk with me and share some of your ideas. And I'm just so excited that you're here in town, and gotten a chance to watch all your adventures and travels and via your social media. And so anyone listening, please follow Jesse over on Instagram. Can you remind me I want to get her I think it's J underscore man underscore moves. Am I do I got that, right. Yeah, so it's at, it's at the letter J underscore, ma N underscore, M O ve s. And that's pretty much the best way to find Jessie. Because you know, he's posting all the time I'd like to post you did the other day, you set up some gymnastic rings, or maybe they're already set up there in one of the seagrape Grove SAT or on our coast here. And you were doing some pretty amazing, like, different body rotation movements that are like more gymnast orientated. And, you know, I know like, you know, you're strong and physically active and always pushing the boundaries in relation to like the joy that comes from using our bodies. And so you're always mixing it up, whether it's yoga or some sort of physical fitness hit workout gymnastic element, you're always sharing information about healthy smoothie recipes that you'd like to make. And so I've been really enjoying following everything that you've been doing. So keep up keep up all that good work to man.

Jesse Gold: 1:03:09

Yeah, thank you so much. preceptory as well, like thank you for doing this and have me some blessing to be able to share with some people that's the essence of life. I can can capture this information in through lived experience turning into wisdom alchemize and wisdom and it's just a blessing that we'll share with people in constantly realizing just the beginner we all are and we're just constantly take on new stuff and I really appreciate VIP like you being inspiration having a studio and you spending the majority of your life dedicated to this practice, beautiful practice of Ashtanga Yoga and carrying that torch it's it's really inspiring because in a different way, or inspires others to do great things in their life. Now, it certainly is for me to go on the walk them to

Todd McLaughlin: 1:04:04

say, I appreciate

Jesse Gold: 1:04:07

that want to do it. And then I can figure that out to get what I'm about what it was like to test my mettle. What do I have within? How do I express? Yeah, I really do appreciate you. Yeah, man, bro people.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:04:21

I hear you. Well, thank you so much. And I will see you in just like another day or two.

Jesse Gold: 1:04:30

Sure, well, man and we're waiting for that. I think next week on Saturday, I think next weekend ways but I will see you Saturday off the plan a trip a little wild coast trip in new circuit at some point because for sure returns on North. We're getting some epic Wait. Oh,

Todd McLaughlin: 1:04:46

I know. Because right now we're talking about hurricane Leah. I'm actually with those of you listening to this podcast. Jesse and I are recording it about a week before so I'm going to release this on next Friday. Not this one but the next and so yeah, we have hurricane leak. Hat full or hovering above where Caribbean right now like Puerto Rico is somewhere out there a little bit but looks like it'd be a cat four and and on Tuesday September 12 I think we're going to know a little more like which way is this guy gonna go? It could set up for the most perfect storm to just go right around and not make landfall that's what I'm crossing my fingers right now. September in Florida hole boy get make sure Yeah, and don't make sure you have make sure you don't have to go to Home Depot. That's all I can say. Like if you think you're going to need something go get it now. Don't wait until the day that the before the storm run to Home Depot.

Jesse Gold: 1:05:51

There is something about coming back to Florida and trades you know the losers. Winter storms for hurricanes. Forget You know it gets practice the breathing and yoga like when I put them practice in a Home Depot or in a hurricane. Or freaking out and like

Todd McLaughlin: 1:06:12

oh yeah. Oh, I know when that when that tropical storm was coming up on Southern California, you know, and then we have family over there. And so then there was like an earthquake at the same time that the you know it downgraded from a hurricane or a tropical storm. So it was obvious there would be some rain but it wasn't going to be you know, nothing like a cat five. And and someone called it a hurricane. They said we had our first hurricane quake. And I was just kind of cracking up like, oh, boy, man I know live in here in Florida. Like it's serious business when those storms are creeping up on you. And do you remember that one that was off the coast as like a category four or five that just sat right over Freeport? And it just stalled like it was coming straight for us. And all the forecasters were saying I remember what the name of that storm was, but it was like two or three years ago. And they go it's going north. It's gone north. It's going north and I was like, I'm not going to put my shutters up. We'll be fine. It's going north. But man when that thing got closer, I freaked out. I put shutters up on everything. I was like, how do we how do we know? How do they know it's gonna go north all of a sudden, and it just sat there and Buzz sawed and then just shot north. It was the most crazy. Like, it just felt like a Russian Roulette situation. Like, you know what's gonna happen. It's a tense thing. There's, and then you're right, though. Just breathe in through that and just be like, I'm okay. Whatever happens. I'm okay.

Jesse Gold: 1:07:42

The brain is a master of planning for the future. Oh, well, at least to try to dress to anticipate the master anticipator and I'm just in baggage. Dorian,

Todd McLaughlin: 1:07:59

Hurricane Dorian. Good job, man. Dorian. I'll never forget Dorian. That was an experience. That was wild. Well, Hurricane Lee. Let's see what you do. And we'll keep y'all posted.

Jesse Gold: 1:08:18

Yeah, we'll let you know

Todd McLaughlin: 1:08:24

if Yeah, I was gonna say something silly. Like if you don't hear this podcast, then you know you're gonna find a buried under this rock pile. We didn't make it but yeah, it's like a time capsule like 2000 years from now. All of a sudden it gets dug out of the internet. Eat there's Oh, that's what happened. All right. 3000. All right. Yes, we better get off before we start getting really weird. All right, I'll catch up with you soon. Thanks, man.

Jesse Gold: 1:08:58

Yeah, dude, thank you for having me on.

Todd McLaughlin: 1:09:10

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